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So i am a pretty agressive necron player
right now i have 5 lychies and on OL in a night scythe
but many times people told me to switch the lychies to praetors
what do you guys think?

and one more question
can praetories shot and run into melee?

They each have their pros and cons. Lychguard are hard to kill but have mobility issues. I recently start playing with my Pretorians. Games i played with them were against a list with alot of AV and knights so they were ignored for the most part. End of the game they were able to grab objective ftw.

I think Lychguards, as influff, are good as bodyguard holding sword and shields of Overlord / Destroyer Lord, or take up the role of defending the Necron gunlines to protect your own units like Warrior blobs and Destroyers from the enemy fast assault units. While Pretorian can be used more aggressively, to clear those marines / Terminators or other objective grabers off that objective (a role which Wraiths are actually not good at, due to not have strong enough killing power).

so im gonna go with praeties
what do you guys think of putting 10 of em with a destro lord with veil of darkness let them shock behind the enemy lines?
they gonna be distrackted while my tomb blades get the objektives anr my wraiths come to help my praetorians?

Not a bad idea, the dlord can tank shots for them if needed


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Not a bad idea, the dlord can tank shots for them if needed

Praetorians already have Deep Strike. Also, keep in mind that as Jump infantry they can get to where they need to be very quickly and by hugging cover.

The Destroyer Lord will be more potent with the Wraiths who really benefit from the Preferred Enemy buff. You might think about giving the Destroyer Lord the Nightmare Shroud to make him very hard to kill.

i know they have deep strike but if i let them deep strike i cant let my dlord deep strike with em and feel like with the options necron hq have they should br melee focused

sticking them to wraiths is cool but then they cant move 12 inches necause the destro cant and i think thats what wraits are for being fast to flank the enemy true unpredictable ways whats get denied by the slow destro lord

Lychguards' best (and probably) only purpose is to guard your warlord and Orikan, so you'll might never give Warlord-killing points to the enemy.

Necronomic wrote:
i know they have deep strike but if i let them deep strike i cant let my dlord deep strike with em and feel like with the options necron hq have they should br melee focused

sticking them to wraiths is cool but then they cant move 12 inches necause the destro cant and i think thats what wraits are for being fast to flank the enemy true unpredictable ways whats get denied by the slow destro lord

Your Destroyer Lord is a Jet Pack Infantry, so he can deep strike and coming in along with the Praetorians.

A DL can keep up with wraiths just fine with his jetpack move.

wait wait wait wait
mt dlord CAN derp strike?

Necronomic wrote:
wait wait wait wait
mt dlord CAN derp strike?

You know Tau Crisis suits and the mighty Riptide? Your destroyers and destroyer lord are same, as they are all jet pack unit. They all can deep strike.

Try the praetorians in their judicator battalion, very fun and strong formation, not crazy OP and fluffy as well. Makes the praets very killy for a turn

Necronomic wrote:
i know they have deep strike but if i let them deep strike i cant let my dlord deep strike with em and feel like with the options necron hq have they should br melee focused

sticking them to wraiths is cool but then they cant move 12 inches necause the destro cant and i think thats what wraits are for being fast to flank the enemy true unpredictable ways whats get denied by the slow destro lord

FYI, you can conga line the Wraiths (maintaining coherency) with the DLord in the group, and the. Use his Jet Pack assault move to make up some distance for the next turn.

I never end up having the Wraith unit unable to move its full 12".

sieGermans wrote:

Necronomic wrote:
i know they have deep strike but if i let them deep strike i cant let my dlord deep strike with em and feel like with the options necron hq have they should br melee focused

sticking them to wraiths is cool but then they cant move 12 inches necause the destro cant and i think thats what wraits are for being fast to flank the enemy true unpredictable ways whats get denied by the slow destro lord

FYI, you can conga line the Wraiths (maintaining coherency) with the DLord in the group, and the. Use his Jet Pack assault move to make up some distance for the next turn.

I never end up having the Wraith unit unable to move its full 12".

okay thats a good strat but I think he is more useful with 10 praetorians shocked in the enemys backline right?

Necronomic wrote:

sieGermans wrote:

Necronomic wrote:
i know they have deep strike but if i let them deep strike i cant let my dlord deep strike with em and feel like with the options necron hq have they should br melee focused

sticking them to wraiths is cool but then they cant move 12 inches necause the destro cant and i think thats what wraits are for being fast to flank the enemy true unpredictable ways whats get denied by the slow destro lord

FYI, you can conga line the Wraiths (maintaining coherency) with the DLord in the group, and the. Use his Jet Pack assault move to make up some distance for the next turn.

I never end up having the Wraith unit unable to move its full 12".

okay thats a good strat but I think he is more useful with 10 praetorians shocked in the enemys backline right?

Why risk deepstriking a squad with a footprint that large (the D/lord isnt a small model) when you can add him to a squad of wraiths that are super fast as is and benefit quite a lot from his PE. Additionally wraiths are a lot more survivable then praetorians, meaning your angry, super fast choppy squad of death is around much longer than your praetorians.

Dont get me wrong, I love my praetorians, and I use them almost every game, and I also love my D/Lord and use him in alot of games, but I run my Praets in their formation as 2x 5 man squads are more versatile than 1 squad of 10 IMO. Praetorians dont need any help being killy as they are, wraiths do.

Also, 2x 5 man squads will draw less fire overall than 1 big squad with a D/Lord.

im gonna try both ways out in my next games and see what suits me best
and can someone explain what the target designated rule means i cant find it in the codex nor the rule book ?

Necronomic wrote:
im gonna try both ways out in my next games and see what suits me best
and can someone explain what the target designated rule means i cant find it in the codex nor the rule book ?

Just go to the Judicatory Battalion formation entry, it's pretty straightforward. Let us know if you have a specific question about its wording.

yea I have some questions when I play the judicatory battalion I get target designated what does this rule do for me?

Necronomic wrote:
yea I have some questions when I play the judicatory battalion I get target designated what does this rule do for me?

The rule is laid out very clearly. We aren't a codex or rulebook.

okay found it :I

Preatorians all the way! Take the formation and plug it into the Decurion for 3+ with 4+ reanimation and MtC is just bonkers. A 7 man unit is great at wiping TEQ/MEQ off the board. I used to give that job to the wraiths but then they'd get tied up for two or three turns with a 10 man MEQ squad while the Preatorians chewed through them in a round or two of combat.

 necron99 wrote:
Preatorians all the way! Take the formation and plug it into the Decurion for 3+ with 4+ reanimation and MtC is just bonkers. A 7 man unit is great at wiping TEQ/MEQ off the board. I used to give that job to the wraiths but then they'd get tied up for two or three turns with a 10 man MEQ squad while the Preatorians chewed through them in a round or two of combat.

sorry but im a liitle new to wh40k what do you mean by the decurion and mtc

... wow, you really ARE new.

Here, start with this-
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Necrons(7E)

okay i just read the article. now i know what decurion is but i dont know how to get it. do i have to have one of the listed formations like the destroyer cult or something? or am i just stupid

Necronomic wrote:
okay i just read the article. now i know what decurion is but i dont know how to get it. do i have to have one of the listed formations like the destroyer cult or something? or am i just stupid

You need a reclamation legion, and then you can start adding other formations to it.
So you get a legion first, then add the cult.
Its basically a formation within a formation.
Yo dawg, I heard you like formations, so I put a formation in your formation, so you can break the game while you break the game.

dude thats pretty nice
i just understood
my only problem is that i will mostly play 1250p games and with the most formatons costing 400p+ and 30% stuff i dont want ( for example to get my beloved dlord i have to pick minimum 3 destros who wouldn't fit into my army at all) im gonna pass on it for now but in games 1750p+ im 100% gonna take that because its so good

A Reclamation Legion + Destroyer Cult only costs 949 points.
Hell, you could even add a Canoptek Harvest as well and it would still be under 1250 points (1179, to be precise).

I never really viewed it as an either or thing, they have different rules and roles. Lychguard are for deathstars, with invul saves and power weapons, they also benefit from the reclamation legion rule of rerolling ones on repair protocols, Which ends up being just shy of a 3+/3++/3+++. With their war gear they end up being much tougher than praetorians, and much tougher than wraiths even. Having an entire army unload on them and maybe losing a single model is a fairly common occurrence if it's a resorb turn. Despite their strength I mostly find i use them for denial, turn one veil into the enemy ranks and watch them scatter, and then kill anything to thick to run away and then camp out on an objective or chase units around, cause they can do jack all to you.

Praetorians on the other hand are killy and fast, but only a bit tougher than immortals. They are the high risk high reward unit in the necron codex, somewhat overshadowed in their role by wraiths. Their best armament is pistol and blade, for rending and str 6 shooting, not enough TEQ to justify str 5 ap 2 and reduced attacks in melee.

If I were forced to choose at gun point, I'd probably say lychguard sword and board config, because they give us something unique. Praetorians fill the same role as wraiths, and their formation can be a mixed bag.

 Grimgold wrote:
Praetorians fill the same role as wraiths

Praetorians are not good at Tarpitting, what are you even talking about?