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Here is my IW and WE allied army. Let me know what you think.

ROW primarch's chosen
Force Org: Crusader

HQ:
Perturabo
Forgebreaker
[490]

Damocles command Rhino
[100]

Troops:
(7) Cataphractii Terminators
3 x Chainfist (1 on sergeant), 2x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning Claws,
2 x combi plasma
[309]

(7) Cataphractii Terminators
3 x Chainfist (1 on sergeant), 2 x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning Claws,
2 x combi plasma
[309]

(6) Cataphractii Terminators
3 x Chainfist (1 on sergeant), 2 x Power Axes, 2 x power swords
2 x combi meltas
[249]

Fast Attack:
Primaris-Lightning
2x Kraken, BSC, GTA
[230]

Heavy:
(7) Tyrant Siege Terminators
2 x Chainfist
[455]

(2) Legion Medusa
[310]

Deredeo
Aiolos
[220]


World Eaters Allied Detachment

HQ:
WE Legion Forge Lord
artificer armor, servo arm
refractor field
power axe
chain axe
rad grenades- during the turn in which a unit equipped with rad grenades assaults or is assaulted, the enemy unit (s) suffers a -1 penalty to toughness until the end of the assault phase. This coupled with +1 strength with chain axes, as well as furious charge from Perturabo's relentless strategist in enemy deployment zone will be insane.)
melta bombs
[125]

Troops:
(20) Tactical Squad
Chain Axes Bolt Pistols, Vexilla
Power Fist; Artificer Armor, melta bombs
[265]


Heavy:
Spartan
Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Armored Ceramite, Heavy Flamer
[385]

3502 pts.

need to shave some off.


Tactics:

Perturabo will allow reserves to come in on turn one. With Command rhino they will not scatter and have +1 for rolls to come on. T1 termies, tyrant siege bros, and pert come in behind cover or obscured. shoot combi weapons and what they can. Lightning goes tank hunting. Medusa's and siege terminators work on tanks, transports, heavy units. Spartan charges forward. T2 deredeo serves as anti Air. Terminators, and WE's move and get ready for assault. Pert uses his orbital bombardment. More medusa and siege termi action. Perturabo confers furious charge due to the relentless strategist special rule to his whole army (not just iron warriors but allies as well) when within enemy deployment zone. Assault enemy lines with both termies and WE.

- cheers
thanks.

The Ironfire isn't there to make a gunline army with; it's there for you to advance under the cover of a creeping barrage. With five Barrage weapons and 32 infantry models you're not getting much out of it.

You're also pretty low on scoring units, 25 models in three Rhinos aren't going to go very far towards objectives at 3,500pts. It looks like you actually want to be playing Armoured Spearhead from where I'm sitting.

Yeah your right. It will be difficult to tackle objective based games etc with only 3 troops choices. Still interesting using 3 landraiders.

I will readjust and scale it down, I still would like to try this list. but adjust my play style. I will move close with all those vehicles and utilize the artillery and fellblade damage using the rite of war.

But Ill adjust it and try a different approach.

With only 2 units and Perturbs firing barrages I wouldn't bother with Iron Fire. You're just not getting that much out of it in such a big list.

I would either adjust to add more sources of barrage fire, or change RoWs.

From what you're running here I would suggest changing your RoW to Primarch's Chosen since Perturbs effectively gives you deep strike and makes Terminators scoring already.

That way you can ditch Golg and use the points for a CC focused Praetor or several support consuls. He's really redundant if you take Perturabo.

Iron Fire loses half its luster when you take Perturabo since he gives you army-wide stubborn.

Thanks a lot. Made some changes. Let me know what you think.

Looks good, what's the point of the 3 LR though? I mean they're fairly cheap but they don't hit hard and aside from the augery web they don't provide much utility vs taking more troop choices.

I decided to take the three landraiders because yes they are very cheap for 9 twin-linked las, armor 14 in their face, and scout move forward. Really just thought it looked cool and fluffy. And might put an opponent on their heels with that much armor and gak in their face.

Plus the augury web would help disrupt their reserve further. It will also be a distraction that they will have to deal with.

Heard it on a pod cast mentioned and would be cool to convert my 3 mark 2b landraiders with cool turrets.


But for more practical purposes, I could drop the three landraiders and take additional units in the form of:

210 legion quad mortar battery
frag
shatter

255 point terminator squad
5 x cataphractii
3 x chain fists
2 x powerfist
terminator sergeant
chainfist

+1 tyrant siege terminator to existing squad

230 point sicaran venator
lascannon sponsons

Honestly if you really like the Land Raiders you should just be playing Armoured Spearhead and using them as transports for Troops units. They don't sit in a squadron together, you aren't spending points on Rhinos, and you get the Heavy Support slot back for more things.

I want to take the terminatora asntroops wih perturabo so I will dropped the landraiders and keep the rite of war primarchs chosen.

You might also want to consider beefing up the squad sizes of the terminators. At 3500 pts 5 man squads can get dropped pretty easily, and you're paying a pretty hefty tax on multiple 5 man squads.

I would personally dip into the tactical squads for the points. They are good for mid-back field scoring but don't really need the rhinos to do that.

]I agree. I dropped rhinks and added a few more termis.



Also would you recommend adding a comtemptor in the list as well? Maybe drop a normal squad or a few tyrant siege guys.
Having like 500 points in one squad is a lot! and will make them a huge target.

I'd leave the Tyrants at 9 guys or make a full squad, I mean they gain a lot from joining Perturabo and deepstriking in to the heart of the enemy (or just to the left of it and blasting it to bits).

Another thing to consider is swapping the Tac squads out for power armor recon squads in rhinos and putting a vox in them, they have scout and outflank and it's a good combo to either get nuncio upfield on T1 to help the Termies deep strike, or to get onto upfield objectives outflank.

Wow that's awesome. Yeah def will look into changing that around and trying recon squads. Super sick.

Also you deep strike them closer to enemy? instead of remaining back?



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I'd leave the Tyrants at 9 guys or make a full squad, I mean they gain a lot from joining Perturabo and deepstriking in to the heart of the enemy (or just to the left of it and blasting it to bits).

Another thing to consider is swapping the Tac squads out for power armor recon squads in rhinos and putting a vox in them, they have scout and outflank and it's a good combo to either get nuncio upfield on T1 to help the Termies deep strike, or to get onto upfield objectives outflank.

How would you outfit them in addition to vox?

If using Perturabo yes, they are as nasty as any squad of Cataphractii in CC, and they can shoot most of the board from anywhere, so I say drop them where they can do both. Bonus pts for a Seige Breaker in there to give them Tankhunter and put them into the side of a Flare Shield Spartan, between them and Perturbs you should nuke it T1.

It's a lot of eggs in one basket but add in other squads of Cataphractii deep striking and all the stuff you'll kill with your mortars and medusas and it's a good threat-overload.

Ok sick! That sounds awesome.

I added the recon guys to puc the vox forward to get a more accurate deep strike for the terminators and pert.



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Bonus pts for a Seige Breaker in there to give them Tankhunter and put them into the side of a Flare Shield Spartan, between them and Perturbs you should nuke it T1.

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I like adding the siege breaker with that Tank hunter rule with the tyrants but I do not want to lose the command rhino and the +1 reserve roll or lose my praetor warsmit.

Yeah the Command Rhino is a good option esp with some vox guys to help it see, plus the 24" no scatter zone to boot.

I wish the Locus gave Perturabo the actual Tank Hunter USR, but it states that it gives his attacks TH instead :(

Seige Breaker might be more useful to you than the Praetor but try a few games with it and see. They get to take Phosphex nades which is sick if you DS (don't forget you get split fire if they join the Tyrants) and you can upgrade your Medusas with it too (which is awesome) and your quad mortars, which is brutal but really expensive IMO.


I used to use reconn with full melta bombs and shotguns the way I used to run Demo vets for IG, but that's been nerfed so I think bolters are good, shotguns and extra CCW could be fun too. They usually get ignored with stuff DSing around the table.

 More Dakka wrote:
Yeah the Command Rhino is a good option esp with some vox guys to help it see, plus the 24" no scatter zone to boot.


Seige Breaker might be more useful to you than the Praetor but try a few games with it and see. They get to take Phosphex nades which is sick if you DS (don't forget you get split fire if they join the Tyrants) and you can upgrade your Medusas with it too (which is awesome) and your quad mortars, which is brutal but really expensive IMO.


I used to use reconn with full melta bombs and shotguns the way I used to run Demo vets for IG, but that's been nerfed so I think bolters are good, shotguns and extra CCW could be fun too. They usually get ignored with stuff DSing around the table.

I made the adjustments:

I took the pride of the legion ROW instead. Gave me the same bonus as Primachs chosen (Allowed me to get terminators as troops) but did not make Pert an HQ choice and left him as a LOW. This allowed me with the crusade force org another HQ... Siege breaker!

I decided to drop the sniper squad (s). With the command Rhino I get the no scatter within 24 inches and +1 reserve roll. I also had the nuncio scouting snipers in a rhino (Cant use the nuncio vox from inside a vehicle).

I then game my preator warsmith master crafted and boosted the siegebreaker with a good load out to stand with the tyrant siege termie/siegbreaker unit.

I know its skimpy with only 4 troops choices. But its seems fun and fluffy.

We shall see how it does.

I made some corrections to the original list. The updates are above.