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So my main army is Space Wolves. Who summon Daemons. They're allied with an IG regiment, who gets help from some eldar warriors. The theme throughout all of this is desperation: the wolves summon daemons to survive in combat,vthe guardsmen follow the wolves because they want tp survive and the eldar follow the IG because they have nowhere else to go (their craftworld is destroyed). Does this seem good? I have to add that the wolves are loyal renegades. They fight for the emperor but are considered traitors.

just start screaming "for chaos" and painting 8 pointed stars on everything and your good

There's no such thing as a loyal renegade. You're summoning demons. You're chaos tainted.

Or, you could just say you are summoning spirits from the wyrd that look a bit like demons but aren't really. A bit like the space wolves...

They're all delusional. They think they are still serving the emperor except 'reality' says otherwise.

It is better to die with honor than to survive through betrayal of everything the Imperium holds sacred. No matter how many rationalizations you make for your cowardice in choosing the path of the demon instead of an honorable death in battle you have embraced damnation.

If your renegade Space Wolves were Radical Inquisitors of the Ordos Malleus faction, you'd see a lot of reactions like those above but it would fit fully within the "screw it, they're close enough to allies that we should deal with the true enemy, the [Tyranids/Necrons/Chaos Daemons Actually Eating People In Front of Us] first" category.

If your Space Wolves aren't even summoning traditional chaos daemons, but rather those daemons come (or are called in) the form of "Spirits of Fenris" or the like, all the more flimsy justification (and flimsy is often enough for those who wish to tow such a line, or are forced to tow such lines for necessity, as is the case here).

Space Wolves summoning traditional daemons is a bit tougher to justify, as only Grey Knights and puritan Ordos Malleus Inquisitors are arguably more oriented towards anti-daemon wetwork, but dude, this is the 41st millenium and your Space Wolves are already renegades who think they're still loyal (or from the perspective of the more conservative/sane elements of the 40k universe, who ONLY think they're still loyal, even though that level of consorting with The Enemy is beyond the pale).

Edit: Even as a law student, the Elves justification is going to be tough. You'd need their forces to be utterly incapable of finding/activating/navigating any webway gates in such a way that they would be prevented from even the slimmest hope of abandoning the monkeys Mon'keighs to join another Craftworld, an Exodite world, or even their Dark Eldar and Harlequin kin - which any and all Eldar would do if there was ANY choice in the matter.

Despite the naysaying, "loyal renegades" (groups that are heretics but think their actions are justified) are pretty well represented in the fluff. The Soul Drinkers, Inquisitors Quixos, Ravenor, and Eisenhorn, the Mantis Warriors; the list goes on.

The IG/AM seems like it would be an uneasy alliance at best (but the game rules reflect that).

It's not my cup of tea, but it seems like you've done the appropriate mental gymnastics to give it the veneer of plausibility.

Yeah, most heretics actually believe that they are still serving the Emperor. It is really rare for people to willingly betray the Emperor. Chaos corruption usually is very subtle, so that those who are corrupted often do not realise what they have become. It happens all the time in the fluff.

Do not trust the eldar warriors. They are clearly spies trying to kill your loyal summoners and relic collectors in their sleep.

I'm cool with my wolves being seen as traitors, since I mostly fight loyalist armies IRL. I guess they think Daemons are spirits of Oden or something?

The guardsmen could be lead by a commissar whos life was saved by the Wolf Lord, so he sworn allegiance?

Frankly, this setup really doesn't make any sense. Your army is obviously in the service of Chaos, whether they realise it or not. Except there is no way that the eldar would be cool with it. The humans may be stupid enough to be conned by the daemons, but the eldar certainly are not.

Commissars don't swear allegiance to anyone aside from the Emperor and their duty.

 Matthew wrote:
The guardsmen could be lead by a commissar whos life was saved by the Wolf Lord, so he sworn allegiance?

What Curren said.

Mind you, the Imperial Guard are the easiest to justify. Remember that the Marines are pretty much frickin' demigods to the ordinary men and woman of the Imperium. They are literally described as being angels. Sure, Marines don't technically have authority over the Guard, but soldiers would probably defer to that 8-foot-tall, metal-clad super-soldier, one whose head contains a century of combat experience, and whose very genes were manipulated by the Emperor's grace. The situation is even easier if you say that they're not even Guard - just say that they're the Wolves' auxiliaries, or they're part of a local PDF.

 curran12 wrote:
Commissars don't swear allegiance to anyone aside from the Emperor and their duty.

This. A commissar's own life has no meaning, except in that their continued life allows them to continue to do their duty to the Imperium. Personal gratitude would not be sufficient to let a commissar overlook demon summoning and treasonous contact with the foul xenos. You do not have a commissar, you have a chaos enforcer in a fancy black hat.

Actually... The "Friendly woodland spirits" on Fenris are actually demons.... So.... (heresy). In the Space Wolves eyes they are aforementioned "Friendly Woodland Spirits", but anyone else sees giant evil demons. Eldar are tricky, so they are probably helping out for their own purposes that none present could even imagine.

Sure, An inquisitor is coming with a ceremonial escort fleet, to congratulate you on the work done for the empire, stay where you are and don't move, ignore the bright light, that is just the Emperor's light shining on you.

Make it a renegade war-group,who has fallen to chaos, Only if they are deluded like the soul drinkers does it make sense.

I've been toying around with this same idea for some time. The idea is that the Rune Priest is summoning the forces of Fenris to help, similar to what happened in the Wrath of Magnus, when all sorts of Fenrisian animals joined the fray.

Fantasy Marauders painted to look like Ghosts to act as the spirits of fallen brothers.

A Dragon painted up to look like a frost Wyrm, counts as a Bloodthirster.

Yhetties would count as blood crushers

Smaller Mammoths would count as Daemon Princes w/o wings