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@Ludd, 2 seperate units or 1 big squad, it will make a difference.

seperate units.

EagleArk wrote:Why didyou just skip 4 posts?

This is why I skipped four fething posts.

Guitardian wrote:5 fire dragons 80 points, wave serp transport 105

Toasted by the broadsides.

LORDEATSALOT wrote:Wraithlord, bright lance, eldar missile launcher 155 points I believe

Not a chance in fething hell against the dragons.

Space_Potato wrote:@ the Wraithlord

Carnifex - 160 points

The Carnifex has a 31.25% of dealing 2 wounds to the lord, and an equal chance of dealing 3. The Wraithlord has a 49.383% chance of dealing 1 wound, and 30.864% chance of 2. Either way, the wraithlord will die.

Assuming of course, vacuum, and that the fex gets the charge without taking a wound beforehand.

S_P

The carnifex taking no wounds, against two high S low AP weapons? Methinks you're heretical!

Shrike325 wrote:Skulltaker

Doesn't need any upgrades, but to keep the points flowing up, with a chariot

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! (Really! Really really?!?!)

160

Cadet_Commissar_Ludd wrote:2 LRBTs w/ plas sponsons- 380 points, you want the points to go up, lets go

Lysander - 200 points

Fafnir wrote:

Cadet_Commissar_Ludd wrote:2 LRBTs w/ plas sponsons- 380 points, you want the points to go up, lets go

Lysander - 200 points

I like the idea of keeping the points as low as possible. So sue me.

I think it's more of a "how is Lysander ever going to hurt them as he can never get into CC and they can always fire their main cannon?"

But, to counter him anyway:

2 Heralds of Tzeentch, each with Boon of Mutation and a Chariot, 190

also given that the LRBTs are seperate units... anyway

Actually, he stands a moderate chance, with his 3++ save, and his eternal warrior. He deep strikes, then runs up to one, killing it. Then he wanders off towards the next one. If you stand still, you get three able to scatter, wound on 2+. He has terminator armor against the battle cannons and heavy bolters, and his 3++ against the plasma cannons.

Lysander also has a S10 master crafted melta thunder hammer for lack of a better term, he has a quite good chance actually. Move + run is the same movement as your cruising, though you have to make dangerous terrain tests, he has to make difficult terrain tests with move through cover.

Leman russes are best saved for troops (MEQ, or Orks), not mean as balls HQ units.


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Shrike325 wrote:I think it's more of a "how is Lysander ever going to hurt them as he can never get into CC and they can always fire their main cannon?"

But, to counter him anyway:

2 Heralds of Tzeentch, each with Boon of Mutation and a Chariot, 190

Love those daemons eh? I don't know their stats, so I won't pretend I do and make hack-job counters. >.>

You guys need to stop arguing and just play the game.

and Inquisitor_Syphonious, please don't just skip posts. It doesn't matter if their counter doesn't work, though feel free to explain to them why so they have a better understanding. But don't just skip them.

Resetting unit to 5x Nobz, 1 Painboy, cybork, 1 Bosspole, 2 Pks 2 Big Choppas - 215

Dedrith wrote:You guys need to stop arguing and just play the game.

and Inquisitor_Syphonious, please don't just skip posts. It doesn't matter if their counter doesn't work, though feel free to explain to them why so they have a better understanding. But don't just skip them.

Resetting unit to 5x Nobz, 1 Painboy, cybork, 1 Bosspole, 2 Pks 2 Big Choppas - 215

On foot? They're toast.

Leman Russ Demolisher (Hull Heavy Flamer, Plasma Cannon Sponsons) - 205

Must... resist... urge... to...

Anyway, I quit this thread for real now.

I have been poking holes in other people's "logic".

It is obvious that it is annoying some people (one of them being a prime offender)

I love these threads though I simply cannot take from these.

I might start an invite only one in the future, they can be a nice tactical excercise... instead of "leman russez are kool!"

And with that, I bid you all ado. Good luck, and have fun.

Shrike325 wrote:I think it's more of a "how is Lysander ever going to hurt them as he can never get into CC and they can always fire their main cannon?"

Many people have underestimated the sheer destructive power of Lysander, only to lose entire lines of Dreadnaughts and tanks to him.

Cadet_Commissar_Ludd wrote:Instant Death?
if they can be, 2 shasvre broadsides(seperate squads) w/plasma guns and shield gens- 220 points
if not i guess i'll go with executioner w/plas sponsons- 230 points

Obliderators can Deep Strike, are Slow and Purposful (for the Relentless), can use a twin-linked Meltagun if they get the chance, Multi-Melta or Lascannon otherwise and if all else fails, a powerfist

MinMax wrote:Leman Russ Demolisher (Hull Heavy Flamer, Plasma Cannon Sponsons) - 205

Monolith 235
Deep Strike whenever it's needed and AP1 shot if the target is in the centre of the blast

Trygon 200 pts

A trygon can't possibly hurt a monolith as it's special rules disallow your 2D6 to pen as an MC...

The correct answer was actually B, Lysander.

Fafnir wrote:The correct answer was actually B, Lysander.

But we'll stick with the Trygon anyway

even though the Trygon couldn't possibly hurt my Monolith...

Inquisitor Lord unarmed
2x Chirurgeon
3x Acolyte all with Mancatchers
3x Veteran Guardsmen (for exploding Tank)
Rhino
173 (83 if Lysander, figure it out)

the Trygon (or even Lysander) will only be able to attack once because of the Mancatchers, I can distribute the wound to the Inquisitor since he's not an Independant Character till his retinue is destroyed and the Chirurgeons will stop the wound from EVER getting through. thus the Trygon is somehow kept at bay with nets and huge cattle-prod things while the Inquisitor stangles it to death

*edited because regular Inquisitors can't have so many people in thier retinue

aww someone already answered against the monolith... i would have said 1 squad of crusaders with a lascannon, had two of those fire at different monoliths the other night, they both killed one, while the predator annihlator picked off the third

Lotet wrote:even though the Trygon couldn't possibly hurt my Monolith...

Inquisitor Lord unarmed
2x Chirurgeon
3x Acolyte all with Mancatchers
3x Veteran Guardsmen (for exploding Tank)
Rhino
173 (83 if Lysander, figure it out)

the Trygon (or even Lysander) will only be able to attack once because of the Mancatchers, I can distribute the wound to the Inquisitor since he's not an Independant Character till his retinue is destroyed and the Chirurgeons will stop the wound from EVER getting through. thus the Trygon is somehow kept at bay with nets and huge cattle-prod things while the Inquisitor stangles it to death

*edited because regular Inquisitors can't have so many people in thier retinue

Trygon has 6 attacks... he rapes your squad.

But to counter anyway:
12x Daemonettes - 160
36 Rending CC attacks when they don't charge, 48 if they do. Hit first. Eats your squad.

Shrike325 wrote:
Trygon has 6 attacks... he rapes your squad.

But to counter anyway:
12x Daemonettes - 160
36 Rending CC attacks when they don't charge, 48 if they do. Hit first. Eats your squad.

damn, the ONLY unit in the entire Tryranid army that has more than 4 for it base number of attacks (except for the Trygon Prime) even the Swarmlord and Deathleaper can be beat (but I'd need some Penitents or something for the Swarmlord)

moving on...
6 Grey Knights, look in the bright side, at least you get "Sustained Attack" for wave after wave of Daemons

no wait! 30 Guardsmen, Daemonettes are Toughness 3 Invulnerable Sv 5+ yeah? (Daemons of Chaos and specific Marine Chapters are the only codexes I don't have)

@ 30 guard 150p a griffon morter to beat those 75p or 2 of them to keep points same for others

Larbo...65 points

Marbo's played as the same unit but with different paint job brother!

Jihadnik wrote:Larbo...65 points

Marbo's played as the same unit but with different paint job brother!

Very funny...

Please skip this user's post.

@ 2 griffons, 2 shasui broadsides, 140

I've said it once and I'll say it again, despite the unit choice restrictions

Vindicare Assassin
Callidus Assasin
Eversor Assasin
10 man Psyker Battle Squad
Chimera for the Psykers (held off the table at the begining of the game in the case of Leman Russ and others of the sort)

435

Cadet_Commissar_Ludd wrote:@ 2 griffons, 2 shasui broadsides, 140

Vindicator w/ Extra Armor - 145 I think, I don't have my codex with me.

Sorry Lotet, but your response was quite a point hike.

you kidding me? people have upped the points and made illegal choices plenty of times on this thread, how come both times I've posted the type of reply the people just don't want to go along with it? it's because of my low post count isn't it? I've seen this all before... *hysterical cut-off applied*

why do people even bother bringing Ordnance? it just gets hit by a Deep Striking unit or Lascannon team

Shas'ui: Dual Fusion Blasters, 2 Gun Drones
Shas'ui: Dual Fusion Blasters, 2 Gun Drones
Shas'vre: Airburting Fragmentation Projector, Failsafe Detonator, 2 Gun Drones
216

Deep Striking when needed

Doom of Malan'tai with Mycetic spore 130pts