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Very nice. Infinity is looking better and better. I will definitely be picking up a couple models this month.

Sadly nothing on Ariadna TAGs.

mwbeardpride wrote:New stuff from Spiel

Thank you very much for sharing this AWESOME pieces of concept design with us.

Well, this pretty much was the tipping point for me. Even though I'm totally busy with grad school and don't have much money to spare, I picked up the Infinity rulebook today. Probably won't be able to buy any figures until the semester ends but I'm definitely going to start.

In response to the comments by Plastictrees and Delphont, I think you have both made some good points.

Doing 'what you know', not taking a risk trying something new, is one of the staples of human character for a lot of people. And especially in wargaming, where so many good ideas have disappeared and never to be heard from again.

But, if it were always the case then games like Warmachine, perhaps even FoW, would never had gained popularity and become what they are today.

Infinity has a couple of things going for it:
- A very distinctive style, this won't be to everyone's taste, but with some beautifully realised imagery and miniatures.
- The low model count and entry price point.
- The rule system, as Alpharius says once you play a few games it hooks most people badly. Someone once said to me that Infinity to 40k is what chess is to chequers, and I think in terms of depth in the game this is a good analogy.

So I think people are doing as they did in the early days with PP games in GW dominated gaming clubs - get some terrain set up, a couple of small demo games set up and show people the game. I think most gamers are pretty open minded, and if they see people having fun will want to see what all the fuss is about!

OK, to be fair, I realise that nothing is so black and white people have been involved with WH40K since before Infinity was even created, and as such have not only built up a massive army and collection of gaming products from GW, but have probably also gathered long time friends through 40K.

I realise it's hard to simply drop all of that, especially when you may see the beauty of Infinity but are not sure if it's just a flash in the pan compared to the sustained longevity of 40K.

Stupidly my comments were made without really thinking of the whole picture. I guess time will tell whether Infinity really has what it takes to be a major player in the gaming industry....

The other thing of course is that due to it's small model count, Infinity is perfectly playable along with other larger-scale games (40k,WFB and the like). It doesn't have to be 'either/or', I fully intend to play Infinity alongside 40k/WFB and even FoW when I have time

I agree entirely, i recently started Infinity because the models are amazing, but still play Hordes, 40k and Fantasy on a regular basis.

I play both 40k and Infinity regularly, and a big "pusher" of Infinity I can speak from plenty of experience on both games.

40k is a great game and it is unique in it's experience. There is something to be said for fielding a large number of models and playing in a large scale battle. I play competitive Eldar, a very finesse army that requires a lot of thought. The game is getting INCREDIBLY expensive and the owners of the game seem like they are trying to self destruct.

That being said, 40k is the game I play when I just want to sit back and relax without thinking too much. There isn't a ton of cinematics to the game other then the actually seeing of things moving around.

Now on the other side there is Infinity, which is a very realistic squad vs squad special operations game. The first thing that draws you in is the looks of the game because, as 40k fans, we aren't use to seeing such a busy board. The game literally plays out like a first person shooter and can be as simple as move, move, move, shoot, or as complex as move, shoot wi-fi repeater, hacker tunnels through marks target, guided missile launcher hit target.

That being said, Infinity is a very focus intensive game which is a double edge sword. Playing back to back matches will drain you mentally if you are playing in a tournament setting, which I like lol. It also requires a large amount of terrain which can be a bit cumbersome to transport, setup, and tear down. Of course there is the ever present issue of the low population of players, but that is a given for anything but 40k.

I'm just writing from my point of view here, but INFINITY is the most challenging wargame I've ever played.

When I have a battle against other experienced player and we are both playing aggressively I end the battle mentally exhausted. The day after that match I usually remember the battle as a RPG, every move of the soldiers, every order spent becomes such a cinematic moment...
I've only experienced that kind of feeling with EPIC roleplaying games, when the DM and the rest of the players are really making it awesome.

Now, a few facts from Corvus Belli that maybe some you would like to know:

- It started as a very small company in Spain 10 years ago.
- They have a 15mm historical range. Some expert told me that the quality is top.
- They did release a Fantasy line before Infinity, it was named "Warcrow" (which is what Corvus Belli means in latin). Those miniatures can still be purchased through their online store.
- In 2005 they release INFINITY with the first three armies PanOceania, Yu Jing adn Ariadna. No rulebook, just some free quickstart rules. At that point they were still testing everything from the first book.
- New armies appear every 4 months: Haqqislam, Nomads and the Combined Army.
- 2007 First Infinity book gets released.
- February 2008 first miniatures from "Human Sphere" are released, their troop profile is published in the website (This becomes a usual mechanich, new troop are released this way, sooner or later this will happen again.)
- 2009 "Human Sphere" is released, it includes a new Army: ALEPH.

- Today they are experiencing a wild growth. Even during this crisis times, they are buying new machinery and hiring new employees, and the quality and number of their releases is growing. They are making partnerships with other companies (Battlefoam, MicroArt). They are planning to release at least two more books ("Campaign book" and something they refer as "Human Sphere 2").


So, from this I can tell one thing:
FACT every small miniature company die after their first two years, CB has passed this point lon ago. They are here to stay, and they do have a promising growing curve even during this times.

Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

BobbaFett wrote:Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games.

I hear the Perry Brothers like playing historicals!

BrookM wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games.

Actually, I read it as quite the opposite. Looks like Bobbafett is illustrating that even someone as entrenched in WH40K as John Blanche has found love for Infinity.

Delephont wrote:

BrookM wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games.

Actually, I read it as quite the opposite. Looks like Bobbafett is illustrating that even someone as entrenched in WH40K as John Blanche has found love for Infinity.

Which still goes to Brook's point of "You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games."

It's well-known that the GW studio guys don't exclusively play GW games. Whether it's the Perry brothers and their love for historical gaming or this new tidbit of John Blanche enjoying Infinity--it's a big who cares?

People like what they like. The studio members are not the company itself, and it's not damning or supporting one system or another--it's individuals enjoying what they enjoy.

Kanluwen wrote:

Delephont wrote:

BrookM wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games.

Actually, I read it as quite the opposite. Looks like Bobbafett is illustrating that even someone as entrenched in WH40K as John Blanche has found love for Infinity.

Which still goes to Brook's point of "You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games."

No, its more like "YOU CAN PLAY MORE THEN ONE GAME."

On a side lucky bastard that John as Angel is one of the best miniature painters in the world.

Delephont wrote:

BrookM wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games.

Actually, I read it as quite the opposite. Looks like Bobbafett is illustrating that even someone as entrenched in WH40K as John Blanche has found love for Infinity.

I think that it is simply an indication of what high esteem he holds the game and imagery in, that someone who has been responsible for a huge chunk of the the artwork and even background we have seen in 40k over the years can have a high appreciation for someone else's work.

Kanluwen wrote:

Delephont wrote:

BrookM wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games.

Actually, I read it as quite the opposite. Looks like Bobbafett is illustrating that even someone as entrenched in WH40K as John Blanche has found love for Infinity.

Which still goes to Brook's point of "You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games."

It's well-known that the GW studio guys don't exclusively play GW games. Whether it's the Perry brothers and their love for historical gaming or this new tidbit of John Blanche enjoying Infinity--it's a big who cares?

People like what they like. The studio members are not the company itself, and it's not damning or supporting one system or another--it's individuals enjoying what they enjoy.

Well, I care. It's a good sign that people involved in the development of games I like aren't closed to their own stuff in a certain "inbreeding" poor way. It shows that they are not as blind to the rest of the gaming world as GW pretends to be in the latest years. Some years ago they were more opened to talk about other games.

Off-topic: guys, if you mix words like then and than it doesn't make it easier to understand you to us non-native English speakers :\

John Blanche isn't really involved in the development of games. He's been with the company for awhile, but he's an artist not a games developer.

Kanluwen wrote:John Blanche isn't really involved in the development of games. He's been with the company for awhile, but he's an artist not a games developer.

I know he doesn't write rules or background, but I would say that the visual part (drawings, miniature design, 'Eavy Metal paintings...) is part of the process. I might be missunderstanding the meaning of "game development" and it only includes the gaming parts in English, but taking the games as a whole, I would say it's part of the process.

Whatever, I liked reading Andy Chambers and Robin Dews talking about obscure wargames that were unknown in Spain

I despise the idea that is entrenched in many people's heads that you can only play one game at a time. Multiple games are good, they play different, they have a different design philosophy, and different art style. It's not a case of either/or, and especially in a skirmish game like this. Don't let the Infinity thread turn into a mindless disregard for all other games, play both or even more games. We don't want to turn the thread like many Warmachine discussions where one talks of how the game is better, more tactical, has better models, better prices, and needs moar skillz than every other game of every genre. (I'm not saying all Warmachine players are like that, it's just the example of "one true gameism" I see the most)

Don't decide which game is better than which, just play both. Infinity is a skirmish game, you can play it and 40k, Warmachine, and historicals all at the same time. I get tired of seeing "one true gameism", just because one game is good, does not mean every other game from before is bad. I especially hate the mutually exclusive games mentality when people are comparing such completely different games, it an example of an apples to oranges argument.

Yes but some people thinks like that because of other reasons like money or space. I like a lot of games, but I actually play very few, 40k and Infinity. I have an Escher gang, a Wood Elves BB team and lots of minis unpainted, waiting for the chance of a game. But I've been a fan for a long time. Starting a new system for some people is a PITA, or they even can't afford it without selling their older stuff.

Osyr wrote:I despise the idea that is entrenched in many people's heads that you can only play one game at a time. Multiple games are good, they play different, they have a different design philosophy, and different art style. It's not a case of either/or, and especially in a skirmish game like this. Don't let the Infinity thread turn into a mindless disregard for all other games, play both or even more games. We don't want to turn the thread like many Warmachine discussions where one talks of how the game is better, more tactical, has better models, better prices, and needs moar skillz than every other game of every genre. (I'm not saying all Warmachine players are like that, it's just the example of "one true gameism" I see the most)

Don't decide which game is better than which, just play both. Infinity is a skirmish game, you can play it and 40k, Warmachine, and historicals all at the same time. I get tired of seeing "one true gameism", just because one game is good, does not mean every other game from before is bad. I especially hate the mutually exclusive games mentality when people are comparing such completely different games, it an example of an apples to oranges argument.

It is like: -"I like chocolate ice-cream and I spend the whole day saying why chocolate is the best flavour. I never try any other ice-cream flavour and I continue bitching about strawberry, vanila, banana, mango and straciatella because they are worst, and they taste bad, and people who enjoy those are idiots. I will keep on having chocolate for years until I die."

Kanluwen wrote:

Delephont wrote:

BrookM wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:Hush Hush: John Blanche is an Infinity fan and he has a PanOceania Army painted by Angel Giraldez.

You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games.

Actually, I read it as quite the opposite. Looks like Bobbafett is illustrating that even someone as entrenched in WH40K as John Blanche has found love for Infinity.

Which still goes to Brook's point of "You make it sound like people can't enjoy other games."

It's well-known that the GW studio guys don't exclusively play GW games. Whether it's the Perry brothers and their love for historical gaming or this new tidbit of John Blanche enjoying Infinity--it's a big who cares?

People like what they like. The studio members are not the company itself, and it's not damning or supporting one system or another--it's individuals enjoying what they enjoy.

Another one would "NO WAY, Jervis wrote historical rules* and they aren't for Warhams Historical?!?!?"

* Blackpowder with former GW employee Rick Priestly, who are both quite the big names on the historical scene and perhaps even bigger players of that than GW's games.

All I can say is that CB better release photos of Decembers releases of this thread will be lost!!

Traktor Mul concept design leaked.


Missile launcher are different than in the final miniature.

I like the Traktor Mul. I prefer the concept art's missile boxes, but the shipping ones aren't bad. My Those pylons they're mounted on look a little weak, though.

The concept art says "Uragan MRL". Traktor Muls can have another MRL called Katyusha. Maybe the painted one is equipped with a Katyusha and the Traktor kit includes both options.

The real-world Katyusha doesn't really look like that model though; Katyushas have launch rails, not launch tubes. The real-world Uragan looks like that model and less like the concept art.

Either way, it's a good distinction between two types of Traktor Muls if they kept the missile systems distinct. It's fantasy after all.

I'll take a few of those, maybe convert one or two into truly dedicated cargo mules.

Ok, so...
With this Traktor Mul almost all factions are getting Baggage remotes...

ALEPH has the Probots.


Haqqislam has the Kameels


Nomads have the Salyut Zonds


and PanOceania will get the Mulebot. The concept design was leaked in this Holo-Ad by Micro Art Studio, they collaborate with CB making terrain, so...


Yu Jing is still waiting for their Pangguling...

With this in mind, i guess that when the campaign book comes out, the Baggage drones will be crucial in the development of... you know, using resources and backup the soldiers and that stuff...