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For everyone who is pleased automatically sets someone who isn't what we really see is a collection of small company's working together to make not only a figure range but a seperate entity not too far away from the humble roots of White dwarf once was.

A no more than 2 decades down the road we see that games workshop no longer sells dungeons and dragons in it's stores we see rows and rows of boxes filled with all the work and creative spark that helped games workshop become the behemoth that it is today.

This creative spark came from Tolkien in some respects it cane from the modern and the pasts ways of waging wars it came from the future with elements of blade runner the terminator and many other none film based references. It came from the knights Templar and the works of Geiger what I'm saying is I'm glad it's come to this.

Mantic games however good or however bad have built from 3 £25k steel moulds hours of sculpting and an age of tension building with the almost infamous tension building days for the web site to reveal all it had beyond a wonderfully rendered picture of ronnies vision of elves.

Now after building a success of what people reguard awful elves and then throwing at us truly epic undead sure they are pushing in the right direction with undead orcs and myself I would say dwarves abyssal or otherwise mantic have made a place for themselves in the ever expanding Market.

What Ronnie is doing isn't short of genius letting people play a game without paying out for a £50 board game without the need if you enjoy it to then pay another £20 ish investment in some aspect you found very fun in a stripped down version of the full product and then pay another £20 per 10 man tactical squad.

He's paid a developer to create some interesting rules that promote quick play thusly giving away something his bigger competitor charges for.

Then we talk about models forgefathers squats or space dwarves something very close to my heart instead them languishing in dome forgotten fluff or a copy of White dwarf that made it to the landfill sites or the recycle bins he's taking a risk and bringing them back. Now for a squat fan whom can recall them first time round and who is currently working on a scratch build force this intrigues me.

Mantic with their apparent want for the customer to know what's going on I find refreshing as well as retro with it's ethos of fun it's harkening back to the old rouge trader days where plannets were named after rock stars and bad hair cuts


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But shouldn't we really be thinking about the whole package rather than a bunch of kings of war elves that the theory goes won't be in a warpath game or are we really having a anti competitor bash at mantic for trying their hardest to give us something new.

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Well Said...


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4M2A wrote:People should try not to judge mantic miniatures until they seem the models themselves. I agree Agamenmnon about the paint schemes, they aren't badly painted they just aren't done in a way that always complements the models. They also look a lot better when they are in a large block. The small units of 10 that mantic show never look as good as the bigger blocks.

Agree with the large block comment but on seeing a video of a Mantics Abyssal Dwarf tcommand group on a revolving table changed my mind about them
They looked much better in the round.

As I have said elsewhere, the Mantic painting style is not very photogenic.
Unlike the GW style which to me looks like it has been cleverly developeded to show of the models well in photos.

I think the issue is the photography.

Having seen the painting models IRL, the colours are nowhere near as saturated as they are in the photographs, and they look a whole lot better for it.

scarletsquig wrote:I think the issue is the photography.

^This.

Having also been at the open day, even the Drakons are ok models. Yes I just said that

Baragash wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:I think the issue is the photography.

^This.

Having also been at the open day, even the Drakons are ok models. Yes I just said that

There goes your credibility!

All joking aside, a bad paint job and/or photo can certainly kill a model.

Its an issue with white balance i think.

Pretty sure the problem with the Drakon Riders isn't white balance...

Thorne wrote:For everyone who is pleased automatically sets someone who isn't what we really see is a collection of small company's working together to make not only a figure range but a seperate entity not too far away from the humble roots of White dwarf once was......# the rest#......

I really wanted to read this post, but it's so badly written, even if I fill in the gaps, and make up my own punctuation, it still reads as an utter mess.

I'm sure there is a point lurking in that wad of text, can I have a summary, in at least some form of basic English?

Best thing in such a case, Delephont, is to report using the yellow triangle.

Translation attempt:

"Miniature figure manufacturers should have a collective publication, as WD used to review other companies back in the day."

Mantic already have their own magazine so not sure how it relates to Warpath

Manchu wrote:Best thing in such a case, Delephont, is to report using the yellow triangle.

I didn't believe the post was abusive or negative in any way, it was just hard to understand...well, for me at least

Perhaps English isn't the posters native language? Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread any further. Apologies for any misunderstanding!!

Mantic already have their own magazine so not sure how it relates to Warpath

Going by their Journals so far they do promotions and articles on other miniatures, such as Hasslefree and Studio McVey's Sedition Wars. I'm sure they will do features on Warpath.

can I have a summary, in at least some form of basic English?

Translation pt 2 (for Delephont):

Thorne made a point by saying how GW lacked diversity in their stores. He feels that they neglected their routes as far back as when they stopped selling more diverse product and started selling only their own. He may have a point. Imagine if they still did sell everything gaming related? GW would pretty much be the only stores selling role-playing games, alternate war games etc...they could have made a lot more money. Personally I think the diversity became too little when they stopped supporting their "Specialist" Games in store to help make way for LOTR - another error IMO.

He also said that he's glad Mantic aren't taking themselves too seriously, that rules are being provided for free and that he's glad GW have 'dropped the ball' as it allows for more competitors. He also expresses bewilderment at people's negative thinking about Mantic based on some Elves they don't like and urges people to see 'the bigger picture' - Mantic are a young company trying their hardest to provide an alternative and he feels people are making conclusions too quickly. Warpath may not even have an Elf race and he's despondent at this possibly becoming an anti-competitor bash thread to GW. He likes the fact Mantic want their customer to know what's going on and welcomes the retro, friendly approach to the hobby.

He likes Space Dwarfs and looks forward to Mantic's interpretation of these lowly, misunderstood & neglected creatures.

@Thorne: Did you use an iPod/Pad to type your post? If so I'd ask for a refund

I did give much time and consideration to the content of my post I appologise for my use of grammar and spelling in consideration of other dakka dakka members who seamingly cannot understand understand me. Initialy think my points raised in the post still stand up to scrutiny being hevily dislexic I do have many issues with spelling punctuation and grammar which have been a huge stumbling block to me for a good long time but I digress.

warspawned wrote:
@Thorne: Did you use an iPod/Pad to type your post? If so I'd ask for a refund

Indeed I did I shall be looking into what I can do about this.... Apple things are just supposed to work .... Damnit

warspawned translated my post perfectly how odd. Mantic games however good or however bad have built from 3 £25k steel moulds and the hours of sculpting that went into sculpting the first miniature line with not to mention a tension building with the almost infamous days for the web site to reveal all it had beyond a wonderfully rendered picture of ronnies vision of elves. Now rinnies vision of elves are not to all our tastes. Personaly I hate them but that isnt the point. Shouldn't we really instead be thinking about the whole package rather than a bunch of kings of war elves that the theory goes won't be in a warpath game. Simply that had been the point of the last few pages I have read or are we really having a anti competitor bash at mantic for trying their hardest to give us something new?

The key word in the last paragraph is GIVE I have seen no where the option to yet buy these Warpath rules anywhere. What Ronnie is doing isn't short of genius letting people play a game without paying out for a £50 board game without the need if you enjoy it to then pay another £20ish investment in some aspect you found very fun in a stripped down version of the full product and then pay another up to £20 per 10 man tactical squad. My theory goes you can already play Warpath with the beta rules as it is intended with what you have already.

Then we talk about models forgefathers squats or space dwarves something very close to my heart. The concept of space dwarves instead them languishing in some long forgotten fluff or a copy of White dwarf that made it to a land fill site or the recycle bins he's taking a risk and bringing them back. Now for a squat fan whom can recall them first time round and currently working on a scratch build force this intrigues me.

Mantic with their want for the customer to know what's going on I find refreshing as well as retro with it's ethos of fun it's harkening back to the old rouge trader days where plannets were named after rock stars and bad hair cuts.

Now I have given much more consideration to my grammar and spelling but as I have mentioned before I am hevily dislexic and after a while my mind begins to play tricks on me and I start reading text on white or grey backgrounds and black or white text makes me read as if I were reading russian but I can only appologise and give my regret about people not seeing my points but after a time I cant read this black and white text either which if you know any heavily dislexic people they will tell you almost the same problems.

I did give much time and consideration to the content of my post I appologise for my use of grammar and spelling in consideration of other dakka dakka members who seamingly cannot understand understand me. Initialy think my points raised in the post still stand up to scrutiny being hevily dislexic I do have many issues with spelling punctuation and grammar which have been a huge stumbling block to me for a good long time but I digress...

That makes sense Thorne, I know no-one meant any disrespect. Can I suggest putting a note in your signature to state you are dislexic and to be patient with your posts? Some Dakka members will always pick at grammar etc as it is a 'rule' of the site - although if they knew you were dyslexic they would be more patient.

I understood your post and agree with many points. Welcome to Dakka

Indeed I did I shall be looking into what I can do about this.... Apple things are just supposed to work .... Damnit

This also makes sense! I can't get used to touch screens and I know I'd make a lot of mistakes using them. So much for technology, eh?

Thorne wrote:
The key word in the last paragraph is GIVE I have seen no where the option to yet buy these Warpath rules anywhere. What Ronnie is doing isn't short of genius letting people play a game without paying out for a £50 board game without the need if you enjoy it to then pay another £20ish investment in some aspect you found very fun in a stripped down version of the full product and then pay another up to £20 per 10 man tactical squad. My theory goes you can already play Warpath with the beta rules as it is intended with what you have already.

Giving something away in order to entice people to buy related items is nothing new and I don't consider anything more than a marketting gimmick. There are people talking about Warpath's beta rules in this thread. The marketing seems to be working, for better or for worse. i only bring this up because calling the man a genius for it is a bit unnerving.

I don't agree.

I was well on board with the rules set... until I saw the rest of the so called choices of armies.


I'm sorry gang, I'm just not feeling them. I'll stick to tried and true orks, and dwarfs.

Zombies? ... maybe. everything else just gave me a WTF moment of epic proportions. I think they call it a bowel movement.

As to Thorne, all I have to say is come back with proof on that. I can play 500 other games for free. Thats not really something that knocks my socks off. Please get off the jock. I can agree that they have a pretty good rules set there, but the rest of it is really underwhelming.

Your talking about this stuff like it's the second coming, or the food of the gods or some sort of thing. All it is is an alternative games system that is really just filling an ever increasing nich that GW is prying open with a crowbar. The army choices are nothing but GW armies regurgitated, yet again. We haven't even seen the fluff, or stories of this stuff yet.

I alredy have Rogue Trader, what is "New" here? What makes this game anything other then Starship Troopers Mark 2? " 80% better then gamers can paint...."

Grot 6 wrote:I don't agree.

As to Thorne, all I have to say is come back with proof on that. I can play 500 other games for free. Thats not really something that knocks my socks off. Please get off the jock. I can agree that they have a pretty good rules set there, but the rest of it is really underwhelming.

Your talking about this stuff like it's the second coming, or the food of the gods or some sort of thing. All it is is an alternative games system that is really just filling an ever increasing nich that GW is prying open with a crowbar. The army choices are nothing but GW armies regurgitated, yet again. We haven't even seen the fluff, or stories of this stuff yet.

I alredy have Rogue Trader, what is "New" here? What makes this game anything other then Starship Troopers Mark 2? " 80% better then gamers can paint...."

I think you are reading far too much into my comments. Yes I think that the best part of the beta ruleset being free is a great boon to everyone and yes the best marketing ploy is to give the rules away for free. But I can also see this whole thing going the way of war-zone or starship troopers ( admittedly I loved ) and I have no illusion that it will or will not be the next big thing. But as a ready drop and drag troops that could be used in 40k forces I can see the ranges going down well with the war gaming players and collectors.

Not to mention the space dwarf concept art I am waiting to see how it translates to a product makes me more interested in the whole idea and system. This is a race that has been long gone in relative terms for games workshop.

But what I do like more than anything is choice. Isn't that what keeps things interesting and fresh?

Mantic have stated the launch party date for Warpath to be November 12th - whether this is for the boxed game or the whole sha-bang I don't know.

http://www.manticblog.com/

...watch our for our Warpath Launch Party on the 12th November...

Hopefully we'll see minis, finalised rules and some written background by October. Did anyone who went to the Open Day get a date for any models?

Apparently maruaders are going to be at Gencon. Rumor though that is.

It would be stupid for them to not come out there with something.

Well Right now the consensus is it wil either be maruaders or twilight kin (dark elves) for KoW. Who knows, maybe both.

October = Marauders
November/December = Forgefathers/Battleset (2 equal armies of Forgefathers and Marauders)
January = Corporation

(I can't remember which way round the Nov/Dec release is)

More details by the distributor E-Figures:

We have received some preliminary information from Mantic for their sci-fi release coming in November. The Warpath Starter is planned to contain 55 models, 2 vehicles, dice, rules and Mantic points and retail for $74.99. The final name of the product should be chosen in mid-August. As we do not have an exact date, this product has been placed in the TBA PreOrders section for now. When we have more information, it will be updated accordingly.

http://efiguresdistribution.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/warpath-starter-from-mantic-games/

Sounds interesting, November is a long time though

It'll be here soon enough Kenshin.
3 months is not much to have to wait.

Soon be Xmas!

The website Brückenkopf http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=41792 posted exclusive pics of some concept sketches for Forge Fathers artillery (for just one day, so I attached the pics). Mantic is still working on the final design of the armour plate. It will be resin and part of the starter box. The marauders will get a trike-buggy in that box, but Brückenkopf is not allowed to show the concept sketches of that one. looks "un-orky" and they think about mixing different styles to underline the ramshackle origin of the vehicles.

The resin masters of the Forge Father Heavy Troopers look excellent (says Darkover of Brückenkopf), the artwork of the box shows two central heroes fighting with warriors surrounding them, a.o. a Forge Father with flamethrower. The marauders have a blue/gold colour scheme

Thanks to Darkover for all this information from his trip to UK.

That looks kewl

Not sure which one I like best
A, B, or C

So hard to choose

I prefer the one that looks like a Thudd gun.