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Piston Honda wrote: Ugh, seeing LA hoist the legendary Lord Stanley is disgusting.
As much as I hate the Rangers, I would rather have seen a dedicated fan base enjoy the moment.
Not a team that ranked 29th in viewership and suddenly has a bunch of fans.
Not sure what dedicated Rangers fanbase you're referring to lol, most of the Rangers 'fans' I know/have met over the past few weeks don't know that they haven't been to a Final in 20 years, can't name the goalie let alone two other players, etc. etc. Can you say, all aboard the bandwagon?
What was it, there was that popular quote, if the Ranges had to leave New York only 18,500 people would care? lol
At least rangers fans can say they were in the top 10 in tv viewership.
I am shocked that all top view avg. viewership were American teams.
Being a devils fan, it sucks seeing my team have gakky ratings.
I know devils fans are few but loyal, but the worse of them are the ones that show up when the Devils do well and the FLyers or Rangers are sucking ass. Makes me feel like the Devs are a substitute team for the "average" fan in the NY/NJ/Phi area.
I was looking at some viewership compared to MLS (major league soccer) I'm shocked to see quite a few teams in that league have better ratings than a number of NHL teams.
hope this does not spell doom for NHL coverage, there is already so little of it already. I've seen more about the Miami heat losing and what will happen to the BIG 3 than the entire series of the Stanley cup. Which got about 2 to 3 minutes of coverage per game.
edit: realized the viewership was for US based teams only. Wonder what Canada's ratings are like?
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Not a great day for the hawks, the entire division top to bottom got better, Richards wasnt my first or second choice but I think hes still got some life left in the lefts and its a pretty cap friendly contract
ironicsilence wrote: Not a great day for the hawks, the entire division top to bottom got better, Richards wasnt my first or second choice but I think hes still got some life left in the lefts and its a pretty cap friendly contract
Yeah, Dallas just stocked up heavy. Minnesota should be a pretty rough contender as well. I'm not seeing any real huge changes with the other teams in the division though.
Ryan miller off to Vancouver, I wonder how long he'll last before being traded Blackhawks also managed to sign Brad Richards who should fill the void at the second line's centre.
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
God... I hope we trade him before preseason's over. Honestly, we should never have gotten rid of Schneider. IMO he was tons better than Luongo.
Yeah, I don't like that acquisition at all. Vancouver should be in rebuilding mode, and a 33 year old goalie isn't going to cut it; especially with an 18 million USD contract.
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Piston Honda wrote: seems like the West is home to all the power house teams and probably the fav. will come out of the west once again. what is it 4 out of the last 5?
Its been that way for a while. In the last 25 years the only Eastern teams consistently favored to win the Cup have been the Devils and the Penguins.
edit: realized the viewership was for US based teams only. Wonder what Canada's ratings are like?
Hard to say. Nielsen is in an adversarial partnership with a company called BBM that uses a separate (and less intrusive) methodology which Nielsen does not trust.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Piston Honda wrote: Ugh, seeing LA hoist the legendary Lord Stanley is disgusting.
As much as I hate the Rangers, I would rather have seen a dedicated fan base enjoy the moment.
Not a team that ranked 29th in viewership and suddenly has a bunch of fans.
Not sure what dedicated Rangers fanbase you're referring to lol, most of the Rangers 'fans' I know/have met over the past few weeks don't know that they haven't been to a Final in 20 years, can't name the goalie let alone two other players, etc. etc. Can you say, all aboard the bandwagon?
What was it, there was that popular quote, if the Ranges had to leave New York only 18,500 people would care? lol
At least rangers fans can say they were in the top 10 in tv viewership.
I am shocked that all top view avg. viewership were American teams.
Being a devils fan, it sucks seeing my team have gakky ratings.
I know devils fans are few but loyal, but the worse of them are the ones that show up when the Devils do well and the FLyers or Rangers are sucking ass. Makes me feel like the Devs are a substitute team for the "average" fan in the NY/NJ/Phi area.
I was looking at some viewership compared to MLS (major league soccer) I'm shocked to see quite a few teams in that league have better ratings than a number of NHL teams.
hope this does not spell doom for NHL coverage, there is already so little of it already. I've seen more about the Miami heat losing and what will happen to the BIG 3 than the entire series of the Stanley cup. Which got about 2 to 3 minutes of coverage per game.
edit: realized the viewership was for US based teams only. Wonder what Canada's ratings are like?
If this included international viewership (which is frequently done via online streaming) Devils would have higher ratings, we have a pretty large following outside of New Jersey, especially in the Czech Republic (and I'm guessing thats only going to grow as we just signed Havlat).
Also realize that the past 2 years the Devils haven't been doing too hot, sadly American hockey fans, especially Devils fans, tend to be a somewhat fickle bunch.
Anyway, my thoughts on the first day of free agent frenzy:
-Tampa Bay, much like the state of Florida, has evidently become New Yorks retirement home, though I think their new additions make them a serious force to be reckoned with this coming season.
-The Rangers are paying Tanner Glass upwards of 1 million USD a year to be one of the worst players in the NHL.
-Most of the Western Conference teams that aren't in Canada seriously got scary good on offense (Blues, Wild, Stars, Avalanche I'm looking at you especially), but for the most part continue to suffer from a lack of solid Defense and Goaltending which keeps them from being serious contenders for the cup IMO.
-The Sharks didn't make any big moves, kinda okay with it, but kinda disappointed. Somethings gotta give in San Jose, they are too great a team to not have ever won a cup
-Penguins didn't really seem to address any of the issues that seriously plagued them the past few seasons in their attempts at re-winning the cup, still overly reliant on Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury who haven't really been showing up for them in the postseason, mostly just small name signings, etc.
-Flyers seem to be in a similar holding pattern of 'meh', also pretty sure they're over the cap limit unless the rumors they're trying to shift Lecvalier are true.
-Moulson seriously picked Buffalo over the Devils? I get that its closer to home for him and he's played there before, etc. but seriously he's going to spend half his contract there in relative irrelevancy until Buffalo's prospects from next years draft develop. I guess he enjoys being a big fish in a small pond.
-Speaking of the Devils... Cammalleri will be a huge boon to us if he continues to put up the number of points he has in the past, and Havlat could turn out to be the best signing of the year if he stays healthy and the chemistry he displayed with Elias in international play holds true for next season with the Devils... I was feeling pretty good about stuff at this point, then Lou resigned Bernier and Gionta, and to make things even worse I realized that the fact that Fayne walked and Volchenkov got bought out means that we no longer have depth on the blue line like we did last season (and that seriously saved us) as we have no NHL ready defencemen left in the AHL, and we are pretty much *forced* to field Salvador on a nightly basis now, and while Larsson, Merrill, and Gelinas are all pretty good, they are still inexperienced (especially those last two) and mistake prone... hoping we somehow sign Vrbata or get a second top forward via trade somehow... also I guess we're the Sharks/Czech players retirement home now? I'm okay with this.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
ironicsilence wrote: Not a great day for the hawks, the entire division top to bottom got better, Richards wasnt my first or second choice but I think hes still got some life left in the lefts and its a pretty cap friendly contract
Yeah, Dallas just stocked up heavy. Minnesota should be a pretty rough contender as well. I'm not seeing any real huge changes with the other teams in the division though.
wild signed vanek, avs signed Iginla, blues picked up Stastny, Stars got Spezza. All the playoff teams got much better. Central seems to be the division everyone wants to play in.
Piston Honda wrote: Ugh, seeing LA hoist the legendary Lord Stanley is disgusting.
As much as I hate the Rangers, I would rather have seen a dedicated fan base enjoy the moment.
Not a team that ranked 29th in viewership and suddenly has a bunch of fans.
Not sure what dedicated Rangers fanbase you're referring to lol, most of the Rangers 'fans' I know/have met over the past few weeks don't know that they haven't been to a Final in 20 years, can't name the goalie let alone two other players, etc. etc. Can you say, all aboard the bandwagon?
What was it, there was that popular quote, if the Ranges had to leave New York only 18,500 people would care? lol
At least rangers fans can say they were in the top 10 in tv viewership.
I am shocked that all top view avg. viewership were American teams.
Being a devils fan, it sucks seeing my team have gakky ratings.
I know devils fans are few but loyal, but the worse of them are the ones that show up when the Devils do well and the FLyers or Rangers are sucking ass. Makes me feel like the Devs are a substitute team for the "average" fan in the NY/NJ/Phi area.
I was looking at some viewership compared to MLS (major league soccer) I'm shocked to see quite a few teams in that league have better ratings than a number of NHL teams.
hope this does not spell doom for NHL coverage, there is already so little of it already. I've seen more about the Miami heat losing and what will happen to the BIG 3 than the entire series of the Stanley cup. Which got about 2 to 3 minutes of coverage per game.
edit: realized the viewership was for US based teams only. Wonder what Canada's ratings are like?
That viewership ratings system is a pile of BS as it ignored the Canadian franchises by claiming "data unavailable"
The Loafs, believe it or not, average the most viewers in the entire league, and despite only a single play-off appearance in 9 years, play to a sold out ACC every single home game.
Basically, we're so hockey mad, even a polished turd is worth paying an average of $150/ticket to go and get depressed!
47 years and counting since their last Cup win! Look out Cubs, the Make-ya-Laughs are coming after your record!
edit: realized the viewership was for US based teams only. Wonder what Canada's ratings are like?
That viewership ratings system is a pile of BS as it ignored the Canadian franchises by claiming "data unavailable"
The Loafs, believe it or not, average the most viewers in the entire league, and despite only a single play-off appearance in 9 years, play to a sold out ACC every single home game.
Basically, we're so hockey mad, even a polished turd is worth paying an average of $150/ticket to go and get depressed!
47 years and counting since their last Cup win! Look out Cubs, the Make-ya-Laughs are coming after your record!
Piston Honda acknowledged that the viewer ratings didn't include Canada or the Canadian based teams.... Do you have any articles/graphs and gak to illustrate what you're saying about them?
$21 million per year for Toews and Kane for the next 8 years.
O.o
Even if the cap goes up to $75 million after next year, they have just over $9 million to spend for 8 roster spots. Not that I feel bad for them or anything.
$21 million per year for Toews and Kane for the next 8 years.
O.o
Even if the cap goes up to $75 million after next year, they have just over $9 million to spend for 8 roster spots. Not that I feel bad for them or anything.
<---St. Louis Blues fan.
We've become rather good at dancing the salary cap tight rope but even so I'm struggling to come up with a scenario that has the hawks keeping Sharp and or Seabrook for much longer
chaos0xomega wrote: -Penguins didn't really seem to address any of the issues that seriously plagued them the past few seasons in their attempts at re-winning the cup, still overly reliant on Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury who haven't really been showing up for them in the postseason, mostly just small name signings, etc.
A high-priced winger isn't what's needed, though. The Pens were built too much for regular season hockey. They don't have a lot of size or grit, and their 3rd and 4th lines are definitely nothing to write home about. They picked up a couple guys who should help some. Plus they have a ton of talented defensemen in the system, and it's about time they bring some of the kids up and see what they can do instead of chasing FAs.
Consider that in some recent years, injuries have derailed them. In others, it was Marc-Andre Fleury meltdowns. Neither really happened this year but you saw the same result -- another early exit by a team that just can't adjust once the rulebook goes out the window.
People criticized the Pens for dumping Bylsma and Shero, but the organization was getting the same results from them year after year -- big regular seasons, lousy playoffs. They aren't bad at their jobs at all, but a change was needed. It's *very* similar to Andy Reid and the Eagles. Honestly, it looked the players gave up on Bylsma this season after they realized that he can't adjust if the things he wants -- stretch passes, etc. -- aren't working.
I like a lot of what I've read about the new coach's system -- seems much more sound and also much easier on the defensemen.
chaos0xomega wrote: -Penguins didn't really seem to address any of the issues that seriously plagued them the past few seasons in their attempts at re-winning the cup, still overly reliant on Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury who haven't really been showing up for them in the postseason, mostly just small name signings, etc.
A high-priced winger isn't what's needed, though. The Pens were built too much for regular season hockey. They don't have a lot of size or grit, and their 3rd and 4th lines are definitely nothing to write home about. They picked up a couple guys who should help some. Plus they have a ton of talented defensemen in the system, and it's about time they bring some of the kids up and see what they can do instead of chasing FAs.
Consider that in some recent years, injuries have derailed them. In others, it was Marc-Andre Fleury meltdowns. Neither really happened this year but you saw the same result -- another early exit by a team that just can't adjust once the rulebook goes out the window.
People criticized the Pens for dumping Bylsma and Shero, but the organization was getting the same results from them year after year -- big regular seasons, lousy playoffs. They aren't bad at their jobs at all, but a change was needed. It's *very* similar to Andy Reid and the Eagles. Honestly, it looked the players gave up on Bylsma this season after they realized that he can't adjust if the things he wants -- stretch passes, etc. -- aren't working.
I like a lot of what I've read about the new coach's system -- seems much more sound and also much easier on the defensemen.
The Pens also need to get a big power forward to play alongside #87 and help protect him.
Sure, Sid needs to avoid all the goofy after the whistle BS, but you can hardly blame him for loosing it when he's taking cheap shot after cheap shot... or hard (sometimes cheap) hit after hard hit.
Opponents need to start actively fearing hitting Crosby and/or Malkin, instead of happily being allowed to declare open season on them.
Until then, the Pens will suffer as both Crosby & Malkin get devoured by the seemingly 'no rules anymore' physical grind that's play-off hockey in the NHL... Their stars get pummeled senseless, and the rest of the team can't pick-up the scoring slack.
Experiment 626 wrote: The Pens also need to get a big power forward to play alongside #87 and help protect him.
Sure, Sid needs to avoid all the goofy after the whistle BS, but you can hardly blame him for loosing it when he's taking cheap shot after cheap shot... or hard (sometimes cheap) hit after hard hit.
Opponents need to start actively fearing hitting Crosby and/or Malkin, instead of happily being allowed to declare open season on them.
Until then, the Pens will suffer as both Crosby & Malkin get devoured by the seemingly 'no rules anymore' physical grind that's play-off hockey in the NHL... Their stars get pummeled senseless, and the rest of the team can't pick-up the scoring slack.
The ideal fit would be Rick Tocchet from 20 years ago on the ice, moreso than the current version behind the bench.
The guys they acquired include Patric Hornqvist, Steve Downie, Blake Comeau and Christian Ehrhoff. Hornqvist isn't an enforcer/protector, but he's a top 6 guy who isn't afraid to go to the net, unlike most every other Pens forward (James Neal, don't let the door hit you on the way out!). Comeau can hopefully help their bottom 6 and add some grit. Downie is there for obvious reasons.
Ehrhoff is their closest thing to a splash signing, but he took a 1-year deal, which is perfect for the Pens because it lets them can ease the young dmen in instead of rushing them. They lost lot on the blue line in free agency.
It's not a great haul, but they all seem to address needs, at least. A big power forward (not necessarily a high-scoring winger) would be great, but the right guy has to be available, they have to have cap room and/or desireable trade assets, etc. Many thought they'd trade Kris Letang, but they held onto him. I think a move on that front is more likely to happen at the trade deadline.
chaos0xomega wrote: -Penguins didn't really seem to address any of the issues that seriously plagued them the past few seasons in their attempts at re-winning the cup, still overly reliant on Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury who haven't really been showing up for them in the postseason, mostly just small name signings, etc.
A high-priced winger isn't what's needed, though. The Pens were built too much for regular season hockey. They don't have a lot of size or grit, and their 3rd and 4th lines are definitely nothing to write home about. They picked up a couple guys who should help some. Plus they have a ton of talented defensemen in the system, and it's about time they bring some of the kids up and see what they can do instead of chasing FAs.
Consider that in some recent years, injuries have derailed them. In others, it was Marc-Andre Fleury meltdowns. Neither really happened this year but you saw the same result -- another early exit by a team that just can't adjust once the rulebook goes out the window.
People criticized the Pens for dumping Bylsma and Shero, but the organization was getting the same results from them year after year -- big regular seasons, lousy playoffs. They aren't bad at their jobs at all, but a change was needed. It's *very* similar to Andy Reid and the Eagles. Honestly, it looked the players gave up on Bylsma this season after they realized that he can't adjust if the things he wants -- stretch passes, etc. -- aren't working.
I like a lot of what I've read about the new coach's system -- seems much more sound and also much easier on the defensemen.
The Pens also need to get a big power forward to play alongside #87 and help protect him.
Sure, Sid needs to avoid all the goofy after the whistle BS, but you can hardly blame him for loosing it when he's taking cheap shot after cheap shot... or hard (sometimes cheap) hit after hard hit.
Opponents need to start actively fearing hitting Crosby and/or Malkin, instead of happily being allowed to declare open season on them.
Until then, the Pens will suffer as both Crosby & Malkin get devoured by the seemingly 'no rules anymore' physical grind that's play-off hockey in the NHL... Their stars get pummeled senseless, and the rest of the team can't pick-up the scoring slack.
The Pens need the Hanson Brothers back on ice! Putting on the foil!
