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 EnTyme wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I can't access Facebook from work, so the best part of my Wednesday is trying to guess what exactly everyone is so outraged about.

a) base LOS of pod whether doors are glued or open(glued, it's invisible barrier, open, open)
b) disembarking from any point of open doors...That's hell of a large area to select where to disembar
c) those open doors count as part of model. Means enemy cannot cross those. That's a HUGE barrier opponent cannot advance within 1". That's road block extraordinary. Drop over objective and you are hard pressed to move legally into positon where you could contest the objective. Even if it didn't land literally to top of it.

Okay yeah. That's a bunch of crap. If drop pods are really that powerful, they should cost at least as much as a Razorback. I'm gonna go ahead and self-impose a houserule against my drop pods so that the doors are just decorative. They don't block LoS, you can't measure from the doors, feel free to move across the doors. The only part of the model that matters is the chassis (the vertical portion).

Which is basically how it has been played around here at least...

Only issue was occasional LOS questions with doors that were glued up but those were very rare and generally leaned toward "if in doubt visible".

tneva82 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I can't access Facebook from work, so the best part of my Wednesday is trying to guess what exactly everyone is so outraged about.

a) base LOS of pod whether doors are glued or open(glued, it's invisible barrier, open, open)
b) disembarking from any point of open doors...That's hell of a large area to select where to disembar
c) those open doors count as part of model. Means enemy cannot cross those. That's a HUGE barrier opponent cannot advance within 1". That's road block extraordinary. Drop over objective and you are hard pressed to move legally into positon where you could contest the objective. Even if it didn't land literally to top of it.

Okay yeah. That's a bunch of crap. If drop pods are really that powerful, they should cost at least as much as a Razorback. I'm gonna go ahead and self-impose a houserule against my drop pods so that the doors are just decorative. They don't block LoS, you can't measure from the doors, feel free to move across the doors. The only part of the model that matters is the chassis (the vertical portion).

Which is basically how it has been played around here at least...

Only issue was occasional LOS questions with doors that were glued up but those were very rare and generally leaned toward "if in doubt visible".

I guess someone did ask the questions, so they are real, but this is really an answer to a question almost nobody had and nobody wanted.

bogalubov wrote:
So what happens to people who found the drop pod model too finicky and glued the doors shut? Their guys can never get out?

Making the doors functional just makes the model more complicated in the game.

Why would they not be able to get out?

 insaniak wrote:

bogalubov wrote:
So what happens to people who found the drop pod model too finicky and glued the doors shut? Their guys can never get out?

Making the doors functional just makes the model more complicated in the game.

Why would they not be able to get out?

They can disembark (via the open topped rules) but good luck getting LOS for the stormbolter.

 Nevelon wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

bogalubov wrote:
So what happens to people who found the drop pod model too finicky and glued the doors shut? Their guys can never get out?

Making the doors functional just makes the model more complicated in the game.

Why would they not be able to get out?

They can disembark (via the open topped rules) but good luck getting LOS for the stormbolter.

Oh the horror I think having LOS blocker you can place is bigger deal than stormbolter

insaniak wrote:

 oni wrote:

What on Earth are you talking about? We're referring to disembarkation not hull points. RAW, disembarkation is measured from the access point(s). The tip of a very long door is NOT an access point. This is common sense. Don't be a troll.

Drop pods are open topped. The access point is any part of the hull.

HAHA... That's right... I just got schooled.

Yup. Well then...

Now that BoLS has the FAQ posted, I can read them! I do find the wording of a couple of these to be very interesting.

Q: In a Gladius Strike Force, is a unit allowed to take a Drop Pod as a Dedicated Transport but then deploy on the board while the Drop Pod Deep Strikes?

A: Technically, taking a Drop Pod as a Dedicated Transport and then deploying the unit and the Drop Pod separately is something you can do.

I fell like the second half of that answer is "but it's kind of pointless and a borderline dick move".

 EnTyme wrote:
Now that BoLS has the FAQ posted, I can read them! I do find the wording of a couple of these to be very interesting.

Q: In a Gladius Strike Force, is a unit allowed to take a Drop Pod as a Dedicated Transport but then deploy on the board while the Drop Pod Deep Strikes?

A: Technically, taking a Drop Pod as a Dedicated Transport and then deploying the unit and the Drop Pod separately is something you can do.

I fell like the second half of that answer is "but it's kind of pointless and a borderline dick move".

I was reading it more like a very long yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

also really liked this one
"if you are reasonable about this, your opponents is unlikely to complain."

from the landspeeder one

Also worth noting: A Captain model taken in the various formations (Gladius, Hunting Force, etc.) may be upgraded to Chapter Master (though the answer does admit that this isn't exactly fluffy)

The one with the captain/CM in the demi co is in the same vein.

Yes, you can, but really shouldn’t.

 EnTyme wrote:
Also worth noting: A Captain model taken in the various formations (Gladius, Hunting Force, etc.) may be upgraded to Chapter Master (though the answer does admit that this isn't exactly fluffy)

But NAMED Chapter Masters can't be taken in place of a Captain. Because reasons.

you shouldn't in the first place ^^

 aracersss wrote:
you shouldn't in the first place ^^

And yet, the Pinion Battle Demi-Company and Stormlance Battle Demi-Company DO allow named Chapter Masters (except Marneus Calgar, if I remember right). The plain Battle Demi-Company is the odd one out here.

if you shouldn't, they shouldn't have made it possible to do so. if you *can* do it and there's an advantage to doing so, of course people are going to, 'fluff' be damned.

Go Anvillus pattern for ultimate pod LoS blocking now That's a pretty tall/large model to block LoS. On a side note, I love the model.



And/but/or -- can you imagine if you kitbashed it with the doors open how much space it would take?! And the horizontally mounted version could be totally used for some crazy LoS blocking advantage. Ironically, when I build mine, I will probably do it that way, because it shows off the bottom of the pod, which is very cool. OTOH, I doubt it will see a gaming table.




edit - lol.. the dreadnought pod just got more useful Not only is it bigger, but look at the way the petals are when open (how tall / how much cover) ....

but now other models can actually block you from opening them correct ? If my pod lands within 1+ inch of an model now the doors "cant" open. In the past I would drop the pod and then open the doors.. since they were ignored I would pick up any models that blocked the door petals and place them back on top of the open doors. Now you couldn't do that

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So do I understand this right, when I disembark a unit from the Drop Pod, I can measure my disembark move from the tip of the open door?

Give it a try, report back to us on if your friends still call you friend, or how many times you get punched in the face.

 Orock wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So do I understand this right, when I disembark a unit from the Drop Pod, I can measure my disembark move from the tip of the open door?

Give it a try, report back to us on if your friends still call you friend, or how many times you get punched in the face.

By following the rules? Let me ask you, have you ever punched someone in the face for having a Riptide put a toe in cover?

zedsdead wrote:
but now other models can actually block you from opening them correct ? If my pod lands within 1+ inch of an model now the doors "cant" open. In the past I would drop the pod and then open the doors.. since they were ignored I would pick up any models that blocked the door petals and place them back on top of the open doors. Now you couldn't do that

You don't deploy the pod and then open the doors. There are no rules that allow you to change the model once it is on the table. You either deploy it with doors open, or doors closed.

tneva82 wrote:

RedNoak wrote:
Now he can go for whichever he feels gives him best advantage.

I wouldn't call that fair. Modelling for advantage I would say. So before the game, it's either doors open or doors closed, you can't pick and choose during a game. Other wise we will have someone change their minis in the game for different stances as well then. Have them kneeling in one turn so they can't be seen behind something, then stand up where they are half covered so they can shoot.

So no, I wouldn't allow these kinds of shenanigans to start with. After all if a Drop Pod can do it, why can't a Monstrous Creature or even a Space Marine infantry do it?

 insaniak wrote:

zedsdead wrote:
but now other models can actually block you from opening them correct ? If my pod lands within 1+ inch of an model now the doors "cant" open. In the past I would drop the pod and then open the doors.. since they were ignored I would pick up any models that blocked the door petals and place them back on top of the open doors. Now you couldn't do that

You don't deploy the pod and then open the doors. There are no rules that allow you to change the model once it is on the table. You either deploy it with doors open, or doors closed.

I think what he is saying is that if you land within an inch, you can't open the doors ( you don't get the option). And yes, when you play the game you do put the pod on the table, then open the doors ( for those of us who magnetized them). Do some people just put down the pod with doors flopping already? Yes.

Are you saying that if I want to deploy the pod with doors open, I have to actually open them before I put the pod on the table?

 Talys wrote:
Go Anvillus pattern for ultimate pod LoS blocking now That's a pretty tall/large model to block LoS. On a side note, I love the model.

Spoiler:

And/but/or -- can you imagine if you kitbashed it with the doors open how much space it would take?! And the horizontally mounted version could be totally used for some crazy LoS blocking advantage. Ironically, when I build mine, I will probably do it that way, because it shows off the bottom of the pod, which is very cool. OTOH, I doubt it will see a gaming table.

It doesn't have doors like a normal drop pod, just the one on the bottom.

General Hobbs wrote:

Are you saying that if I want to deploy the pod with doors open, I have to actually open them before I put the pod on the table?

Since the doors will count for determining the placement of the pod and whether or not you mishap, yes, you'll need to have the doors already open when you put it on the table.

Again, there are no rules that would allow you to deploy a model and then change its configuration later. The model you deploy is the model you use.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
you shouldn't in the first place ^^

And yet, the Pinion Battle Demi-Company and Stormlance Battle Demi-Company DO allow named Chapter Masters (except Marneus Calgar, if I remember right). The plain Battle Demi-Company is the odd one out here.

Actually, the Errata on the 12th page of this FAQ changes it so that you can take named Chapter Masters in the BDC.

I'm looking forward to being able to use Vulkan in the FBSF without going through the special command option.

 insaniak wrote:

zedsdead wrote:
but now other models can actually block you from opening them correct ? If my pod lands within 1+ inch of an model now the doors "cant" open. In the past I would drop the pod and then open the doors.. since they were ignored I would pick up any models that blocked the door petals and place them back on top of the open doors. Now you couldn't do that

You don't deploy the pod and then open the doors. There are no rules that allow you to change the model once it is on the table. You either deploy it with doors open, or doors closed.

Now this doesn't bother me as much anymore.

A)playing the pods with the doors deployed means that there's an increased table edge mishap...
and
B)playing the pods with doors deployed makes it easier for enemy to REACH the pod in assault.

Terminal wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
you shouldn't in the first place ^^

And yet, the Pinion Battle Demi-Company and Stormlance Battle Demi-Company DO allow named Chapter Masters (except Marneus Calgar, if I remember right). The plain Battle Demi-Company is the odd one out here.

Actually, the Errata on the 12th page of this FAQ changes it so that you can take named Chapter Masters in the BDC.

I'm looking forward to being able to use Vulkan in the FBSF without going through the special command option.

You could always use Vulkan that way (despite not being a Captain...). Pedro should be able to be taken as he functions as the Crimson Fists' First Company Captain.

Man, dem drop pod rules tho.

Although truthfully I can't see many outside of the WAAC or TFG crowd arguing that deployment starts from the drop pod doors - shouldn't be an issue overall I don't think. Then again, given the responses so far, it appears it WILL be an issue - it's almost like GW doesn't know what drop pods are used for.

Although, from a game standpoint the whole model being counted for LOS and movement instead of just the hull makes sense.

The fact that a first company captain can be taken as a Battle Company Captain bothers me, freakin' Lysander.

I can't imagine the Drop Pod portion not being completely rewritten before this goes "official"

I get the sense they put very little thought into this and are going to use the questions ad comments they generate as a means to hone in on where the weak spots are and what needs to be improved.

I sure hope that's what they're doing anyway, because that portion of it at least is a complete mess.

 insaniak wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

Are you saying that if I want to deploy the pod with doors open, I have to actually open them before I put the pod on the table?

Since the doors will count for determining the placement of the pod and whether or not you mishap, yes, you'll need to have the doors already open when you put it on the table.

Again, there are no rules that would allow you to deploy a model and then change its configuration later. The model you deploy is the model you use.

There are no rules that specify how you deploy a drop pod and its doors, open or closed. There's no rule that says they all have to be opened. There's no rule that says you have or do not have the option to change the configuration. It is a total grey area. Can you quote for me the appropriate rule in the rulebook to support your position?