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Hey there, I had a few questions about this new book. First of all, is it out or not ? It seems it has been sold-out and that FW is currently printing them again. However all I can find about the book online are rumours, so I'm confused.

Is the book usable for 40,000 ? What I'm most interested in are the rules about the Secutarii, and especially the Secutarii Axiarch. I don't know however if they are playable in 40,000 as of now, the Secutarii Peltasts and Hoplites are still being sold with their experimental rules for 40,000 but the Axiarch don't even have a model yet that I'm aware of, is he supposed to be used like a regular Secutarius upgraded character ? If that is so, bummer, I hoped for a new cool model.

I'm most interested to know if you can use the new rules for the Secutarii in a regular 40,000 Skitarii army, and if the Axiarch can be taken as HQ somewhere. Does anyone have a clue ?

Thanks in advance !

Yes it is out, costs 80 of the Queen's finest.

Would need to agree its use in 40k in advance with your opponent.

Horus herecy books are not usable in 40k.
What you are looking for is an Imperial armour book.

Well they work rulewise without a problem so shouldn't be problem to get opponent to agree. After all they get to face more balanced rules than 40k stuff!

Hmm alright thanks, but what does the Imperial Armour consists of ? Its the Forge World models with rules for 40k ? Will there be an Imperial Armour book soon with the content of HH: Inferno ?

Nobody knows if the Axiarch has a model or if they intend on making one ? Maybe I should email GW or FW to know

 Aaranis wrote:
Hmm alright thanks, but what does the Imperial Armour consists of ? Its the Forge World models with rules for 40k ? Will there be an Imperial Armour book soon with the content of HH: Inferno ?

Nobody knows if the Axiarch has a model or if they intend on making one ? Maybe I should email GW or FW to know

There is never going to be a 40K book with the contents of HH: Inferno (as far as we know). HH books are for 30K and Imperial armour are for 40K, they are two seperate game systems. Even tough the models are similar if not the same, that's like asking when they are going to release Archaon rules for 40K (which is an age of sigmar character).

Imperial armour books contain 40K rules for Forgeworld models and of course lots of background story. An imperial armour price depends on the book, some cost £37, others cost about £50. I just took a look and a lot of them seem to be out of stock as of yet.

FW will (understandably) not answer most questions about upcoming or planned models.

With all that said I wouldn't mind it if someone used a 30K army if it weren't too overpowered.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Horus herecy books are not usable in 40k.
What you are looking for is an Imperial armour book.

I hate to bust your bubble, but according to the HH rule books they are. The latest set of standard 30K rules state (on page 8).

"The Space Marine Legion Crusade Army list is intended for use in games of Warhammer 40,000, and principally in using the Battle in the Age of Darkness rules expansion originally found in Books I-III and summarized in abstract here."

A more correct statement would be that Horus Heresy books do not contain anything for use with any Warhammer 40,000 Codex, IE: The Legion Crusade Army list contains rules for using Cataphractii Terminator Squads in the Legion Crusade Army list only, if you want to use them in a Codex Space Marine's army you need to use the entry in Codex: Angels of Death. (The latter containing only those items found in the plastic Cataphractii kit, rather than the full range of options available in 30k)

Forge World's official policy with regards to using Horus Heresy army lists in games against 40k armies is that it should work fine but don't complain to them if it doesn't - a far cry from Imperial Armour's "Yes we've playtested it it's all fine!"

DaPino wrote:
that's like asking when they are going to release Archaon rules for 40K (which is an age of sigmar character).

That comparison doesn't really fly. The rules between 2 games are completely different. 30k and 40k are more like different wargear and stats. Nowhere near the difference between 40k and AOS.

Basically you can use 30k units in 40k rules and there's no conflicts. Or other way around. It's more like different codex. Only 30k stuff is better balanced than 40k erring generally on side of underpowered.

Thank you guys for your answers. I emailed FW to know if they intended the Axiarch on being an IC instead of just a Character as written in the book. Also asked if he could be taken as part of a Skitarii Maniple, altough I think he can't as there is no HQ slots in a Skitarii Maniple. Asked if I could field him as an HQ in a regular CAD too. And finally, if they intended on releasing a model for him, or if we had to build him ourselves, but I said I understood if for secrecy reasons they couldn't answer me that last question.

tneva82 wrote:

DaPino wrote:
that's like asking when they are going to release Archaon rules for 40K (which is an age of sigmar character).

That comparison doesn't really fly. The rules between 2 games are completely different. 30k and 40k are more like different wargear and stats. Nowhere near the difference between 40k and AOS.

Basically you can use 30k units in 40k rules and there's no conflicts. Or other way around. It's more like different codex. Only 30k stuff is better balanced than 40k erring generally on side of underpowered.

No, the 30k stuff is better balanced against other 30k stuff. Against 40k its a mess of balance. Just because the rules for 30k vs 40k function doesn't mean it functions well.

 CrownAxe wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

DaPino wrote:
that's like asking when they are going to release Archaon rules for 40K (which is an age of sigmar character).

That comparison doesn't really fly. The rules between 2 games are completely different. 30k and 40k are more like different wargear and stats. Nowhere near the difference between 40k and AOS.

Basically you can use 30k units in 40k rules and there's no conflicts. Or other way around. It's more like different codex. Only 30k stuff is better balanced than 40k erring generally on side of underpowered.

No, the 30k stuff is better balanced against other 30k stuff. Against 40k its a mess of balance. Just because the rules for 30k vs 40k function doesn't mean it functions well.

Well true against 40k stuff 30k is generally tad weaker. Which is why most opponents shouldn't have problem. Rather 30k stuff that has semblance of balance than overpowered crap that's 40k.

Technically the HH books have as much Validity as say, Traitors Hate

On the Spine of Some HH books and on 1 on the first pages on all of them
"The Horus Heresy: X"
"A Warhammer 40,000 Supplememt"

But i would ask you're opponent first

I don't know if the Secutarii are even in Inferno, though don't quote me on that (I don't have the book and I may be wrong).

The rumour mill is saying that Imperial Armour 14 is coming along sometime relatively soon and is going to be a Mechanicum versus Tau campaign that's going to update a lot of the IA3 Tau and provide rules for a lot of the 30k Mechanicum content explicitly for use in 40k (the way IA2 and IA13 took the vehicles out of the 30k Space Marine list and ported them forward to the SM/CSM books in 40k), I'd suggest waiting for that. If the official/final Secutarii rules for 40k are getting printed anywhere that's where they'll be.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I don't know if the Secutarii are even in Inferno, though don't quote me on that (I don't have the book and I may be wrong).

The rumour mill is saying that Imperial Armour 14 is coming along sometime relatively soon and is going to be a Mechanicum versus Tau campaign that's going to update a lot of the IA3 Tau and provide rules for a lot of the 30k Mechanicum content explicitly for use in 40k (the way IA2 and IA13 took the vehicles out of the 30k Space Marine list and ported them forward to the SM/CSM books in 40k), I'd suggest waiting for that. If the official/final Secutarii rules for 40k are getting printed anywhere that's where they'll be.

Yes they're in Inferno, I found a few pages of it on the net, but without all the book I don't know how much of it may be valid for 40k.

So I'd better be waiting for IA14 ? If I follow Forgeworld on Facebook you think it'll be enough to keep me updated about the future books ?

tneva82 wrote:
Well true against 40k stuff 30k is generally tad weaker. Which is why most opponents shouldn't have problem. Rather 30k stuff that has semblance of balance than overpowered crap that's 40k.

Looks at the Thousand Sons, Russ and most of all Magnus the Red's rules in the Inferno book...



30k has the same power creep as 40k and it really shows in book 7.

Magnus in 30k is THE single most broken model in the whole game.

I'm doing it (playing 30k TS in a 40k meta). I'm gonna suffer, but I have waited to play with them since 2012.

There's a possibility Secutarii will show up in IA14 (rumours say it'll be released by July). If you want to use the 30k version while waiting for the 40k one, you'll need the Mechanicum Taghmata Army List (https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IT/The-Horus-Heresy-Mechanicum-Taghmata-Army-List) and Inferno.

 Massaen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well true against 40k stuff 30k is generally tad weaker. Which is why most opponents shouldn't have problem. Rather 30k stuff that has semblance of balance than overpowered crap that's 40k.

Looks at the Thousand Sons, Russ and most of all Magnus the Red's rules in the Inferno book...



30k has the same power creep as 40k and it really shows in book 7.

Magnus in 30k is THE single most broken model in the whole game.

Did I say everything is fine and balanced? No. Perfect balance isn't possible. But as a rule of thumb you get more balanced stuff out of FW stuff.

And I would say 40k Magnus that's possible to make so that you cannot even hit it(since you cannot roll 7 on d6) is even worse.

 Aaranis wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I don't know if the Secutarii are even in Inferno, though don't quote me on that (I don't have the book and I may be wrong).

The rumour mill is saying that Imperial Armour 14 is coming along sometime relatively soon and is going to be a Mechanicum versus Tau campaign that's going to update a lot of the IA3 Tau and provide rules for a lot of the 30k Mechanicum content explicitly for use in 40k (the way IA2 and IA13 took the vehicles out of the 30k Space Marine list and ported them forward to the SM/CSM books in 40k), I'd suggest waiting for that. If the official/final Secutarii rules for 40k are getting printed anywhere that's where they'll be.

Yes they're in Inferno, I found a few pages of it on the net, but without all the book I don't know how much of it may be valid for 40k.

So I'd better be waiting for IA14 ? If I follow Forgeworld on Facebook you think it'll be enough to keep me updated about the future books ?

Addendum: Just found the table of contents, yes, they're in Inferno.

Inferno has the rules for using the Secutarii in the Taghmata Omnissiah list, so if you want to use them in 40k you're technically either playing strange Unbound or you're using a Taghmata detachment (and I'm not sure what additional restrictions may apply to fielding the Secutarii), if you wait for IA14 you'll be able to use them in an ordinary legal bound list with the Skitarii/CultMech books that uses them.