Increase mastery level to 3 or Liber Daemonica?

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**JamesWright83**

Hi, I'm adding a second librarian to my Grey Knights army, and he's going to use the Sanctic Discipline. I've only got 25 points left (otherwise I'd take both) so should I upgrade him to mastery level 3 and get the extra warp charge dice (to a total of 10) or get the Liber Daemonica instead, and have one fewer dice but have the ability to reroll 1s when he's casting Sanctic powers? Either way he's have three powers plus the primaris.

Thanks

**Grey Templar**

Well, the real question is why you don't have the points to have both in your army. When I make a GK list, the first things I get are 2 level 3 Librarians, one with the Liber Daemonica, and 2 10 man terminator squads.

Whats your whole list? I mean, if you have to pick between level 3 or the Liber Daemonica, I would go with the Liber Daemonica, but really you should be able to have both.

**JamesWright83**

Grey Templar wrote:
Well, the real question is why you don't have the points to have both in your army. When I make a GK list, the first things I get are 2 level 3 Librarians, one with the Liber Daemonica, and 2 10 man terminator squads.

Whats your whole list?

My 1300 point list (everything I own) is:

Level 3 librarian with teleport homer (as I have 10 spare points)
Level 3/Liber Daemonica librarian
5 terminators with hammer and psycannon
5 terminators with hammer and psycannon
5 terminators with hammer and psycannon
Dreadknight with heavy psycannon, heavy incinerator, sword and personal teleporter
Stormraven with lascannon and multi melta

**Grey Templar**

1300 points is a bit of an odd point level. What level games do you usually play?

**Slayer-Fan123**

Grey Templar wrote:
1300 points is a bit of an odd point level. What level games do you usually play?

One place I used to play at in 4th did the same point level. Things are bizarre sometimes.

Is that list with ALL the Terminators having a Hammer? You only need 1, or at max 2.

**Grey Templar**

I think he meant 1 hammer and 1 psycannon. Points work out that way.

**JamesWright83**

Yeah it's one hammer and one psycannon per squad. The rest have swords.

The reason my army is currently 1300 points is because that's all the models I currently have. Once I have my second dreadknight it'll be 1500 points. I'm part of a friendly group who plays at Warhammer World UK, and we don't do set army sizes. If want a 900 point battle for example then I'll ask and see if anyone wants one. I know that in some more serious groups and events etc things will always be 1500 points, 1850 points etc.

So do you think give the second librarian the Liber?

**Slayer-Fan123**

Doesn't the Lascannon on the Storm Raven cost extra?

You could arguably lose all the upgrades on the Raven to get both.

**JamesWright83**

Nah the lascannon and multi melta upgrades are free, the stormraven is 200 points exactly.

**Galef**

I wound go with the ML3 AND Liber and take the points from your other Libbie.
The Liber really needs to be put on a ML3 Libby so you get 4 Santic rolls on the same model (vastly increasing the chance of rolling the powers you want)

So you can take one vanilla ML2 rolling 2 Divination + Prescience & one ML3 with Liber rolling 4 Santic

**JamesWright83**

That's an idea...

I could reduce my warlord down to ML2 (he's there to provide Precience and try to get Invisibility, taking psychic shriek if he fails) which ML2 is fine for. Then bump librarian #2 up to ML3 and give him the Liber, giving him 4 Sanctic powers plus the generally useless Primaris.

Sorted, thanks Galef!

**Grey Templar**

I would actually recommend getting more Terminators first before a 2nd Dreadknight. 15 is kinda barebones. My 1850 lists usually revolve around 2 10 man squads minimum.

**jeffersonian000**

Your Warlord should be the ML3 Libby w/ Liber, on the off chance you roll Lore Master WL trait. That allows the Libby to effectively have 6 of the 7 Sanctic powers which is as close as you can get just picking your powers.

SJ

**Neophyte2012**

jeffersonian000 wrote:
Your Warlord should be the ML3 Libby w/ Liber, on the off chance you roll Lore Master WL trait. That allows the Libby to effectively have 6 of the 7 Sanctic powers which is as close as you can get just picking your powers.

SJ

Agreed on this, to the OP, don't forget that the DLD gives the bearer reroll 1s when casting Santic powers. So it is always good for a model carrying this item to roll all spells on Santic.