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From Hresy 30k:

http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/9661-forgeworld-answers-via-mail-about-inferno/

I've sent some questions too, but FW has yet to answer mine.

Have we heard what the Custodes' Misericordia does yet?

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Have we heard what the Custodes' Misericordia does yet?

Alan Bligh answers that in the video of the Inferno seminar available on the Warhammer Community site. Basically it's just a representation of the Custodes ultimate authority granted by the Emperor. It's the small sword represented on the Custodes model basically, so it's just an extra close combat weapon.

Aw. I was hoping for an AP value, it'd make the Saggitarium more useful.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Aw. I was hoping for an AP value, it'd make the Saggitarium more useful.

More useful? Don't the Custoes already have like an AP 2/3 Halberd or Sword that adds str and extra attacks and other special rules? How much more do you want? Rad Grenades? Call 'em "The Tears of the Emperor" or something? LOL

 Tamwulf wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Aw. I was hoping for an AP value, it'd make the Saggitarium more useful.

More useful? Don't the Custoes already have like an AP 2/3 Halberd or Sword that adds str and extra attacks and other special rules? How much more do you want? Rad Grenades? Call 'em "The Tears of the Emperor" or something? LOL

Well I don't play custodians but the sanitarium Guard are by far the worst unit is that list. It's not that they are a bad unit but they aren't worth taking at all.

A normal Custodian with adrastite spears costs the same gains combat ability and is a troop choice. Where as the sanitarium is heavy support which is pretty contested has a normal adrastite gun or if they stay still due to no relentless can have a 65 point modem shoot a heavy bolter.

The Saggitarium Guard are the guys with no melee weapon and a 30" range heavy bolter (on a non-Relentless platform) stapled to an adrathic destructor (think an oversized plasma pistol).

Or you could spend an extra fifteen points to swap the 30" range heavy bolter for a 36"/S6/AP3 version with Heliothermic Detonation, swap the adrathic destructor for a two-shot version with +1S and better range, add a power lance, get to fire both modes in the same turn, add Split Fire, and stick the whole mess on a jetbike (for T6(!)).


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 Tamwulf wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Aw. I was hoping for an AP value, it'd make the Saggitarium more useful.

More useful? Don't the Custoes already have like an AP 2/3 Halberd or Sword that adds str and extra attacks and other special rules? How much more do you want? Rad Grenades? Call 'em "The Tears of the Emperor" or something? LOL

Ah, if only the Saggitarium had an AP2/3 halberd or sword that adds str and extra attacks and other special rules...

(I want the Custodes heavy weapon infantry to be better at being heavy weapon infantry instead of being s**tty versions of the jetbikes.)

These emails are currently under doubt as being fakes by a pretty large chunk of people :(

Not only are FW emails notoriously contradictory, this one doesn't even have the usual "proofs" of a FW email, and the answers are, for the most part, a joke. "lol, gorgons and deathshroud use generic armour, don't question why we sell them as a unique armour and tartaros respectively" or the wonderful "lol, you can hit magnus with invis, or russ in CC if he gets invis either"

I mean, everyone is in the dark, and suddenly, this dude gets 3 emails worth of rules answered?

Whether they're real or not, they won't be accepted by most 30K players simply because most of the rulings are stupid.

Sekhmet have a weird issue where they can end up with three weapons currently, the emails say that if you take the Power Fist/Chainfist/etc you lose your Combi Bolter...meaning you're paying to exchange a ranged weapon and a force weapon for a single upgraded melee weapon. It renders those options utterly worthless.

They doubled down on Magnus and Russ being impossible to-hit when Invisibility is cast on them...like I get that it is what their rules say but it's still 'effing stupid and broken.

They didn't properly answer the question regarding Magnus and Witchfire powers and whether his Mind Wrath also works for the sub-types.

There's also the whole Terminator Armour thing...

I certainly won't be using these, Forge World have a documented history of their email replies to rules queries being disproved be later emails or FAQs. Basically, you should only use these rulings if you want to.

Caederes wrote:

Sekhmet have a weird issue where they can end up with three weapons currently, the emails say that if you take the Power Fist/Chainfist/etc you lose your Combi Bolter...meaning you're paying to exchange a ranged weapon and a force weapon for a single upgraded melee weapon. It renders those options utterly worthless.

It's still incredibly dumb, but it's not swapping both weapons for a single melee. It's swapping the combi-bolter and Force weapon for a Power-fist and one of the options. So now it's the incredibly underpriced kind of dumb, as they'll get a chainfist with extra attack for ten points.

Chrysis wrote:

Caederes wrote:

Sekhmet have a weird issue where they can end up with three weapons currently, the emails say that if you take the Power Fist/Chainfist/etc you lose your Combi Bolter...meaning you're paying to exchange a ranged weapon and a force weapon for a single upgraded melee weapon. It renders those options utterly worthless.

It's still incredibly dumb, but it's not swapping both weapons for a single melee. It's swapping the combi-bolter and Force weapon for a Power-fist and one of the options. So now it's the incredibly underpriced kind of dumb, as they'll get a chainfist with extra attack for ten points.

Its actually better it's power fist and lighting claw for free.

Right! I haven't actually played much (any) so I glossed over the advantages of a 2 wound terminator with 4 Lightning Claw or Power-fist attacks on the charge and a 2+/3++ (assuming Cataphractii and Raptora) at about 50 points a piece. Especially in a world of pretty much only power armour, terminator armour or vehicles.

You guys are correct, my bad, I had to re-read the entry to confirm they get 2 weapons instead of just 1 as I originally thought. It seems like FW really want to push us towards using Sekhmet! Nice and all for people that want to use them but give other Legion players a break.

Well no, it's why I'm pretty sure those answers are trash and I wish they actually employed an editor. There no way they intended the Sekhmet to get Power fist and Lightning Claw for free. Especially not with ML2 and all the other Thousand Sons perks.

Pretty much, here's hoping an actual FAQ comes out soon; invisible Magnus makes me cry.

You see i love the idea of power fist and lightning claw but even if it becomes official im not sure i would want it, i want mine to run with powerfist/chainfist and asphyx combi-bolter.

The answers are realy stupid. I want my sekhmet to be able to shoot and be able to take chaifists/lightning claws. 4 attacks on the charge while also having a 3++ just isn't right, besides they will be able to choose wether to hit with ap3 and shred, or with ap2 s8. I don't recall other termies to be able to do that. Besides, death guard termies are clearly wearing cataphractii armour and gorgons are clearly in tartaros.

Other dude got a different answer. Best we wait for a real FAQ.

Isn't that always the correct option?-) Emails are never serious answer for rules. As it is you cannot even prove they said what they said in the email so bringing it up in game is pointless.

 hordrak wrote:
The answers are realy stupid. I want my sekhmet to be able to shoot and be able to take chaifists/lightning claws. 4 attacks on the charge while also having a 3++ just isn't right, besides they will be able to choose wether to hit with ap3 and shred, or with ap2 s8. I don't recall other termies to be able to do that. Besides, death guard termies are clearly wearing cataphractii armour and gorgons are clearly in tartaros.

Deathshroud are clearly in tartaros but can only ever use the rules for indomitus (40k termie armour) and gorgons are clearly in indomitus both stylewise and fluffwise, its even written on the unit page they just get an extra rule. As for other termies being able to dual wield fist and claw, the varagyr can.

 King Amroth wrote:

 hordrak wrote:
The answers are realy stupid. I want my sekhmet to be able to shoot and be able to take chaifists/lightning claws. 4 attacks on the charge while also having a 3++ just isn't right, besides they will be able to choose wether to hit with ap3 and shred, or with ap2 s8. I don't recall other termies to be able to do that. Besides, death guard termies are clearly wearing cataphractii armour and gorgons are clearly in tartaros.

Deathshroud are clearly in tartaros but can only ever use the rules for indomitus (40k termie armour) and gorgons are clearly in indomitus both stylewise and fluffwise, its even written on the unit page they just get an extra rule. As for other termies being able to dual wield fist and claw, the varagyr can.

he was probably thinking of grave wardens. BUT it's still stupid that a model given tartaros, and previously given the option to "choose whichever" would be 'confrimed' by this email to be ONLY in indomitus. the type of armour that was pretty damn rare and stuck mostly with loyalists. makes sense.

 Brennonjw wrote:

 King Amroth wrote:

 hordrak wrote:
The answers are realy stupid. I want my sekhmet to be able to shoot and be able to take chaifists/lightning claws. 4 attacks on the charge while also having a 3++ just isn't right, besides they will be able to choose wether to hit with ap3 and shred, or with ap2 s8. I don't recall other termies to be able to do that. Besides, death guard termies are clearly wearing cataphractii armour and gorgons are clearly in tartaros.

Deathshroud are clearly in tartaros but can only ever use the rules for indomitus (40k termie armour) and gorgons are clearly in indomitus both stylewise and fluffwise, its even written on the unit page they just get an extra rule. As for other termies being able to dual wield fist and claw, the varagyr can.

he was probably thinking of grave wardens. BUT it's still stupid that a model given tartaros, and previously given the option to "choose whichever" would be 'confrimed' by this email to be ONLY in indomitus. the type of armour that was pretty damn rare and stuck mostly with loyalists. makes sense.

Yeah, confused the Grave wardens with Deathshrouds, my bad. But apart from the helmets and shoulders the Gorgons may be wearing Tartaros, it's not that different from Indomitus. Not that they would get a huge benefit from the ability to sweep, but it wouldn,t break the game either.

 hordrak wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:

 King Amroth wrote:

 hordrak wrote:
The answers are realy stupid. I want my sekhmet to be able to shoot and be able to take chaifists/lightning claws. 4 attacks on the charge while also having a 3++ just isn't right, besides they will be able to choose wether to hit with ap3 and shred, or with ap2 s8. I don't recall other termies to be able to do that. Besides, death guard termies are clearly wearing cataphractii armour and gorgons are clearly in tartaros.

Deathshroud are clearly in tartaros but can only ever use the rules for indomitus (40k termie armour) and gorgons are clearly in indomitus both stylewise and fluffwise, its even written on the unit page they just get an extra rule. As for other termies being able to dual wield fist and claw, the varagyr can.

he was probably thinking of grave wardens. BUT it's still stupid that a model given tartaros, and previously given the option to "choose whichever" would be 'confrimed' by this email to be ONLY in indomitus. the type of armour that was pretty damn rare and stuck mostly with loyalists. makes sense.

Yeah, confused the Grave wardens with Deathshrouds, my bad. But apart from the helmets and shoulders the Gorgons may be wearing Tartaros, it's not that different from Indomitus. Not that they would get a huge benefit from the ability to sweep, but it wouldn,t break the game either.

by both the rules (or so I thought) and the fluff, Gorgon's get super-pimped out Indomitus, which is nice, but it's obviously indomitus based, much like deathshrouds are obviously modeled with tartaros, and wear both tartaros and indomitus in the fluff.

Of course, FW is apparently doing other changes like having the white scar's Terminator elite suddenly be bike-riding loons, which is fun

Why are you wasting time on these non-answers from some ignorant customer service rep?

HandofMars wrote:
Why are you wasting time on these non-answers from some ignorant customer service rep?

'Cos lamentation is part of this hobby