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So I'm playing in an 1850 point tourney and have exactly 3 models available to me(deal with the wife, I can only buy a new model once I've painted the previous) so im trying to maximize my points.


I'm fielding a flyrant with twln linked devourers and brain worms, can I also put the bio artifact melee weapons on him? If i put both on him will he get the extra melee attack?

The Bio Artifacts replace the model's Scything Talons (except the Factor and the Crown), so you cannot have a pair of twin-linked devourers and one of the artifact weapons, only a single twin-linked devourer plus the artifact.

The FAQ also prevents a model being equipped with more than one "relic" (linky).

Also, three models? To go to a tourney? Is it Unbound?

Lol, due to my complete newbieness and my lack of models my three models will be a flyrant a mawloc and a heriophant, the points not in the list are gonna be just given to the opposing person as kill points

The Norn Crown is the only one you can take and still use Dual Twinlinked Devs


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VIlacom wrote:
Lol, due to my complete newbieness and my lack of models my three models will be a flyrant a mawloc and a heriophant, the points not in the list are gonna be just given to the opposing person as kill points

I'm not sure you realize the size of a Hierophant... It is about as big as 6 (if not more) of the Flyrant models put together

As with the 2nd part of your sentence.. I would suggest you have a full read through of the Game Rules and Tyranids Codex

GodDamUser wrote:
The Norn Crown is the only one you can take and still use Dual Twinlinked Devs


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VIlacom wrote:
Lol, due to my complete newbieness and my lack of models my three models will be a flyrant a mawloc and a heriophant, the points not in the list are gonna be just given to the opposing person as kill points

I'm not sure you realize the size of a Hierophant... It is about as big as 6 (if not more) of the Flyrant models put together

As with the 2nd part of your sentence.. I would suggest you have a full read through of the Game Rules and Tyranids Codex

Heirophant sounds all the more awesome, and while i appreciate you suggestion, maybe give me a hint of what im looking for? Or even better just tell me the rule you feel is being violated?

Well for starters. Most tournaments will have rule reztrictions forbidding forgeworld models if they dont have rules in the base codex.

The heirophant is a bio titan from the imperial armor books (forge world only). Most tourneys do not allow titans let alone forgeworld.

Second, the rule for additional attacks is based on having multiple melee weapons. Tldwblw are not melee. Thats in the base rule book.

Third the rules for tyranid weapons and how they all come in pairs of arms but are rules wize a single weapon is in your codex.

4th the rules for bio artifacts is also in your codex.

I know the game is needlessly complex with rules citing things in multiple sources but you do need to read them all front to back first to have any inkling of how the game works.

 Lance845 wrote:
Well for starters. Most tournaments will have rule reztrictions forbidding forgeworld models if they dont have rules in the base codex.

The heirophant is a bio titan from the imperial armor books (forge world only). Most tourneys do not allow titans let alone forgeworld.

Second, the rule for additional attacks is based on having multiple melee weapons. Tldwblw are not melee. Thats in the base rule book.

Third the rules for tyranid weapons and how they all come in pairs of arms but are rules wize a single weapon is in your codex.

4th the rules for bio artifacts is also in your codex.

I know the game is needlessly complex with rules citing things in multiple sources but you do need to read them all front to back first to have any inkling of how the game works.

I know what the heirophant is and where the rules can be found, the tournament I am attending specifies that it allows forgeworld models and having discussed the situation with the TO he was happy to permit me the use of the titan

I am also very well away as to how melee weapons work and that devourers are not melee weapons, I was asking if I included the bio artifact weapons in addition to the devourers if it would be ok. Someone was quite nice and corrected me without being condescending earlier in the post.

I must have missed the single artifact only rule, but the sheer level on condescension you chose to show in your answer, wow. I'd probably ask you not to come to my game store if that's how you treat new players.

Have a lovely evening

My thing is...

Do you actually have a hierophant model?

because that is definitely one of the things there isn't a suitable proxy for out there... It is a huge model

And if you don't is the organizer aware of this..

GodDamUser wrote:
My thing is...

Do you actually have a hierophant model?

because that is definitely one of the things there isn't a suitable proxy for out there... It is a huge model

And if you don't is the organizer aware of this..

Its on its way and I should have 3 days to get it together and base coated before the tourney

To answer the OP's question:

Due to the new FAQ ruling clarifying it, unless the codex specifically gives permission (which the Nid one does not as far as I know) you can only have 1 Bio Artifact of any kind. So you can't take both Bio Artifact Weapons under any circumstances.

In addition, weapons in general (whether bio artifact or normal) must replace an existing weapon. The Tyrant only has two and that's all he gets. You can give him one Bio Artifact Weapon and one SET of Twin Linked Devourers, but not two sets of Twin Linked Devourers and a Bio Artifact Weapon. This is because Tyranid Weapons are only represented Visually as 2 weapons. Each Set of Arms only count as a single weapon (hence, even if you give him 4 scything talons, he only count as being armed with 2)

Finally, I would not recommend buying two sets of Bio Artifact Weapons even if it's possible, as all of the Tyranid's melee weapons only grant their abilities when you choose to use them directly in combat (and only one weapon can be used at a time, with the other one being treated as glorified daggers). If you want a +1 attack, it's much cheaper to use the base Scything Talons (which are free and have no extra rules at all). It feels nice to have the option, but it's often too expensive to try and kit out a character like that. It's better to make it focused on a single task rather than try and take on everything. And yes, if you choose to use the Scything Talons and a Bio Artifact Weapon, it means the Tyrant can't have any Devourers at all.

Also I would like to discourage you from spending points due to a lack of models, as I generally find buying excessive things because you have points is often the same as not spending the points at all. One alternative available is to play your Mawloc as a Trygon Prime (Not Tyranid Prime, I often get the two mixed up so I just wanna be clear, as the Trygon Prime is a giant pissed-off version of the Trygon, while the Tyranid Prime is a weenie warrior); normally it's not the best of choices but since in this case it might be well out of range of your tyrant for synapse, having the Prime with Synapse on it's own can help control your army better (essentially if it's a Prime, you don't have to worry about synapse at all). In addition, the Prime can take Bio Artifacts, so putting one on him can help out for what the tyrant will lack. A Trygon Prime properly kitted out and a Flyrant with Two Twin Devourers along with a Hierophant should round out 1850 points nicely with a little wiggle room for some bells and whistles.

Sorry if you read any condescending in my post. Unintended. You specified that you were new to the game and had only 3 models. I assumed you were caught in some of the many pitfalls this incredibly convoluted game has for new players. My bad. Good luck with your nids.

VIlacom wrote:
Its on its way and I should have 3 days to get it together and base coated before the tourney

Best of luck. It's a horrible thing to assemble.
I finally finished assembling mine a couple of weeks ago, after having bought it 3 years back (not that it took me three years to put it together, I just got a bit frustrated with it a few times and put it down).

You'll quickly find that the legs are too thin and fragile to support its weight. One option is to follow a guide like this one and insert pins into the legs.
http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/11899/heirophant-assembly-guide-links-fixed

If you're like me, and didn't feel like chopping your expensive new resin toy into pieces, another option is to have the weight of the body resting on a support rod coming up from the base.
Bearing in mind that it doesn't actually come with a base. You'll have to find one yourself. I used a cheap cake tray for mine.

VIlacom wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:
My thing is...

Do you actually have a hierophant model?

because that is definitely one of the things there isn't a suitable proxy for out there... It is a huge model

And if you don't is the organizer aware of this..

Its on its way and I should have 3 days to get it together and base coated before the tourney

I hope that's three 8 hours days.
The Hierophant is a tricky model, very fragile in the legs too, some people have pinned it all through the length to deal with that problem.

Nevertheless, if it's your first resin model, wash it really good in hot soapy water before you do anything else, or you'll have serious trouble down the road.
Then, for the parts which suffer from strong warping, you can bend them back using a heat gun, it works infinitely better than hot water or steam schemes.
Just heat a few seconds at a time at 10 inches or so, check if you can flex the resin, then re-heat if you can't.
Then you want to hold the piece in the shape it should have, and temper it in cold water for a minute or so so that it settles in that form and doesn't go back to its original warp.

The link from Arson Fire is the best walkthrough I've seen to assemble a Hierophant, you should really follow it

Good luck

morgoth wrote:

VIlacom wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:
My thing is...

Do you actually have a hierophant model?

because that is definitely one of the things there isn't a suitable proxy for out there... It is a huge model

And if you don't is the organizer aware of this..

Its on its way and I should have 3 days to get it together and base coated before the tourney

I hope that's three 8 hours days.
The Hierophant is a tricky model, very fragile in the legs too, some people have pinned it all through the length to deal with that problem.

Nevertheless, if it's your first resin model, wash it really good in hot soapy water before you do anything else, or you'll have serious trouble down the road.
Then, for the parts which suffer from strong warping, you can bend them back using a heat gun, it works infinitely better than hot water or steam schemes.
Just heat a few seconds at a time at 10 inches or so, check if you can flex the resin, then re-heat if you can't.
Then you want to hold the piece in the shape it should have, and temper it in cold water for a minute or so so that it settles in that form and doesn't go back to its original warp.

The link from Arson Fire is the best walkthrough I've seen to assemble a Hierophant, you should really follow it

Good luck

Arson Fire wrote:

VIlacom wrote:
Its on its way and I should have 3 days to get it together and base coated before the tourney

Best of luck. It's a horrible thing to assemble.
I finally finished assembling mine a couple of weeks ago, after having bought it 3 years back (not that it took me three years to put it together, I just got a bit frustrated with it a few times and put it down).

You'll quickly find that the legs are too thin and fragile to support its weight. One option is to follow a guide like this one and insert pins into the legs.
http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/11899/heirophant-assembly-guide-links-fixed

If you're like me, and didn't feel like chopping your expensive new resin toy into pieces, another option is to have the weight of the body resting on a support rod coming up from the base.
Bearing in mind that it doesn't actually come with a base. You'll have to find one yourself. I used a cheap cake tray for mine.

Thanks guys! I'll have to recruit some help looks like, but should be able to get it done

 Lance845 wrote:
Well for starters. Most tournaments will have rule reztrictions forbidding forgeworld models if they dont have rules in the base codex.

The heirophant is a bio titan from the imperial armor books (forge world only). Most tourneys do not allow titans let alone forgeworld.

Second, the rule for additional attacks is based on having multiple melee weapons. Tldwblw are not melee. Thats in the base rule book.

Third the rules for tyranid weapons and how they all come in pairs of arms but are rules wize a single weapon is in your codex.

4th the rules for bio artifacts is also in your codex.

I know the game is needlessly complex with rules citing things in multiple sources but you do need to read them all front to back first to have any inkling of how the game works.

I've gone to twenty tournaments so far and only two had rules against forgeworld in particular.

While the guys here covered the questions, read up on guides for assembling the hierophant.

I've put 3 together so far and all have taken a lot longer than 3 days sadly.

You will have to cut, drill and insert rods into it to prevent it's legs from bending or snapping.
My suggestion would be to assemble it using strong magnets or just pins on the joints, no glue.
Use something under the body to support it for your games.

After than you can go to town putting it together properly.
It's really not something you want to assemble half arsed.
My 1st one was just glued and pinned.
I then had to cut it apart, straighten legs then insert rods into them, which is heartbreaking to do on a fully assembled and painted model.





Random side notes:
The hierophant is stupidly vulnerable to D weapons.
I have seen a wraith knight drop one in a single shot after it took some basic fire first.

Since the event allows FW, beware of revenant titans and turbo laser warhounds.
Both of which can easily shred your 1k titan for half the cost :(

If I'm running a gargantuan I generally run the Harridan as it's 250 less points, same bio cannons but due to most strength D being blasts, it's immune to them.
Also makes it better against pretty much all shooting, making up for the reduced profile.





Edit:
Side note of tournaments;

I'm yet to see any major tournament that doesn't allow FW models.
It's generally small RT style tournaments that don't allow it.

But in the last 5 years or so I don't think I've been to 1 that doesn't allow FW.

Generally because GW's own core rules are now just as outragous, if not more, than FW's in several respect. It is legitimately more useful to field several Wraithknights than a Revenant Titan.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Generally because GW's own core rules are now just as outragous, if not more, than FW's in several respect. It is legitimately more useful to field several Wraithknights than a Revenant Titan.

Remember when the Revenant was considered about as absurdly OP as it was possible to get in 40k?

I miss those days.

Harridan is the best option for Nids GC's

Heirophant and Heirodule both have the issue of just being so expensive when compared to all other options out there..

Harridan being a flyer is able to avoid the majority of issues its brothers face

 Ashiraya wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Generally because GW's own core rules are now just as outragous, if not more, than FW's in several respect. It is legitimately more useful to field several Wraithknights than a Revenant Titan.

Remember when the Revenant was considered about as absurdly OP as it was possible to get in 40k?

I miss those days.

I miss the days where Space Marine armor was genuinely useful, Eldar took skill to play, Chaos was taken seriously, and when vehicle designs didn't result in the Taurox.

That or it's my hip acting up again.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Generally because GW's own core rules are now just as outragous, if not more, than FW's in several respect. It is legitimately more useful to field several Wraithknights than a Revenant Titan.

Remember when the Revenant was considered about as absurdly OP as it was possible to get in 40k?

I miss those days.

No you Don't.
Back then strength D was always ignore cover and the revenant was 800 points.

And the seerstar was the strongest build, followed by wave serpents back then.

If Wave Serpents were the main part of a build, then you haven't thought back far enough. Remember Structure Points? If I remember the Revenant had those too. Made it so much stronger than anything now.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
If Wave Serpents were the main part of a build, then you haven't thought back far enough. Remember Structure Points? If I remember the Revenant had those too. Made it so much stronger than anything now.

Fair enough.. but the real nerf was strength D, SP didn't change its value in a tournament list much imo.
And it still wasn't picked.

I'm thinking back to 4th edition, where the mere mention of Forge World was like saying you wanted to wear the swastika while jamming peanuts down the throat of an allergic baby. Funny enough no one took them in tournaments either, because taking one basically meant your opponent auto-forfeits and most tournaments specifically banned titans, if not all of forge world entirely.

I remember one of my friends tricked me into playing against his vulture gunship and neglected to tell me that the old FW rule for aircrafts flat out subtracted inches from the range of my weapons in addition to making them not able to be charged. I played Khorne Berserkers. I later told him that I wanted to kick him in the nuts so hard the entire male gender will wish it didn't exist.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I'm thinking back to 4th edition, where the mere mention of Forge World was like saying you wanted to wear the swastika while jamming peanuts down the throat of an allergic baby. Funny enough no one took them in tournaments either, because taking one basically meant your opponent auto-forfeits and most tournaments specifically banned titans, if not all of forge world entirely.

I remember one of my friends tricked me into playing against his vulture gunship and neglected to tell me that the old FW rule for aircrafts flat out subtracted inches from the range of my weapons in addition to making them not able to be charged. I played Khorne Berserkers. I later told him that I wanted to kick him in the nuts so hard the entire male gender will wish it didn't exist.

I had no idea FW was ever that fethed up.

So your wife lets you buy a heriophant but not gaunts?

 JimOnMars wrote:
So your wife lets you buy a heriophant but not gaunts?

He could get 3 models.

Can't do much with 3 gaunts lol

 JimOnMars wrote:
So your wife lets you buy a heriophant but not gaunts?

Yeah I did LOL at this one. Can't buy new models until you've painted the last one.... buys a hierophant I hope the wife doesn't read the CC statements or is rich but just has OCD about clutter

no matter how you look at it, a hierophant is going to take up a lot more space than any number of gaunts under 100.

Then again the fine print did read "one model at a time".

 JimOnMars wrote:
So your wife lets you buy a heriophant but not gaunts?

Lol this came from my war machine collection which has been entirely painted by commission, and since I have spend thousands and thousands of dollars on that the agreement for me to get into another army was that I had to paint it myself and could only buy one at a time.

Yes the fine print benefited me from that wording . Though I could buy a unit of gaunts I just couldn't get anything else until I painted them all.

The decisions to get the titan was my love of the model(maybe not after I assemble it) and the need for a large number of points on a very limited time frame