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Got these(rich and basic) figuring I would use these for Horus. I have heard lots of good about those so figured that since Horus is such a big project he deserves every little edge I can get(albeit it won't still be stellar paint job but if it's even little bit better looking gold than previous methods it's worth it). However never used alcohol based paints so before trying couple questions.

a) Even I know enough you don't clean your brush with water here. Alcohol based paint + water=bad. Alcohol is needed right? Asked dad suggestions on what and he suggested liquid used as fuel for camp burner(not sure english term). Is that good idea? Somewhat worried about bringing in flammables to my home though guess I'm just too worried.
b) does this stuff need thinning like regular paint and if so HOW? Thinner won't work I would imagine.
c) water bad(making the paint literally rust it seems) but after drying is there issue with washing and highlighting with non-alcohol based paints?
d) how one gets rid of used cleaning liquid? Throwing to sewer probably not brightest ideas.
e) any other suggestions?

Also on side note damn the bottles were basically mess when I got. All the paint was basically at the bottom of the bottle and top was just...liquid like water. Damn it took some effort to get it to paint like state again.

I've always used the highest % isopropy that you can get at a grocery or convenience store (its like 99% or 91% I don't remember) for both thinning and cleaning my brushes when I use the liquid metals. It's important that you use synthetic brushes too.

b) Pour a bit into a small cup or pallet and add more alcohol (in my case I just use a few drops of the isopropyl) until you get your desired viscosity.

c) One the alcohol evaporates there is no chance of washes screwing up your paint job as it just leaves the pigment behind. You can paint over it as you please.

Some other tips:
The pots have a bit of a shelf life after they've been opened. Just keep an eye on them if you open them a lot.

They cover over black really well, but for better results you should still under paint a yellow brown for the golds and grey for the white gold and silvers.

Hope this helps!

I realize this isn't what you're asking... but personally I found after many, many attempts with Liquid gold - it's great until it turns on you, and it will turn on you; and it's a HUGE pain in the butt and just not worth it IMO.

Scale75 or Andrea golds are just as smooth, acrylic, water-based and even Vallejo Model Colour brass and gold are decent easy to use golds.

Vallejo also makes now, Metal Colour, which is designed for airbrush but very smooth and less separation than their Vallejo Air line - also water based.

Add a small heavy object to the pot so it mixes better when you shake it a.don't put it on too thick .

 Gunzhard wrote:
I realize this isn't what you're asking... but personally I found after many, many attempts with Liquid gold - it's great until it turns on you, and it will turn on you; and it's a HUGE pain in the butt and just not worth it IMO.

Scale75 or Andrea golds are just as smooth, acrylic, water-based and even Vallejo Model Colour brass and gold are decent easy to use golds.

Vallejo also makes now, Metal Colour, which is designed for airbrush but very smooth and less separation than their Vallejo Air line - also water based.

Thanks anyway Interesting. How it turns on you? So far the paint being mostly liquid is biggest problem I have. Makes me think I got super old bottle from the store to begin with. But do like the look so maybe I can bear the Horus to the end. Just the mace left for gold work.

Don't have access to Scale75 or Andrea gold and postage just for bottle or two would be annoyingly high + take a long time.

Vallejo metal colour can be reasonably put on brush(3/0)? Feels like it would be too runny. And airbrushing this is hopeless idea. Would take hell of a masking all these super thin gold lines!

Never had experience of the paint before, but it looks amazing!

Just seems there are a few house rules to follow when using it though, and unfortunately ones that could be easily forgotten, especially when you're in the zone a bit.

tneva82 wrote:

 Gunzhard wrote:
I realize this isn't what you're asking... but personally I found after many, many attempts with Liquid gold - it's great until it turns on you, and it will turn on you; and it's a HUGE pain in the butt and just not worth it IMO.

Scale75 or Andrea golds are just as smooth, acrylic, water-based and even Vallejo Model Colour brass and gold are decent easy to use golds.

Vallejo also makes now, Metal Colour, which is designed for airbrush but very smooth and less separation than their Vallejo Air line - also water based.

Thanks anyway Interesting. How it turns on you? So far the paint being mostly liquid is biggest problem I have. Makes me think I got super old bottle from the store to begin with. But do like the look so maybe I can bear the Horus to the end. Just the mace left for gold work.

Don't have access to Scale75 or Andrea gold and postage just for bottle or two would be annoyingly high + take a long time.

Vallejo metal colour can be reasonably put on brush(3/0)? Feels like it would be too runny. And airbrushing this is hopeless idea. Would take hell of a masking all these super thin gold lines!

I'm in New England (USA) which has periods of high humidity, sometimes long ones, but it's not like I'm in the tropics... yet every bottle of Liquid Gold has eventually turned. What happens is they get clumpy, increasingly until they're just unusable. My group was super excited about these paints a few years back, but we've all moved on since.

Even if you can get through a project, or if your bottle never 'turns', you still have to deal with the frustrating of switching your clean water to alcohol. The Metal Colour actually are similar consistency to Liquid Gold, as in very thin.

You might like regular Vallejo Model Colour golds... particularly the Brass, Old Gold, and Gold are all excellent and you can thin them with water fairly easily. Scale75 and Andrea are smoother but if you can't get em you can't get em. The guys in my group have moved onto the newest version of the GW golds but I have not tried them myself.

 Gunzhard wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Gunzhard wrote:
I realize this isn't what you're asking... but personally I found after many, many attempts with Liquid gold - it's great until it turns on you, and it will turn on you; and it's a HUGE pain in the butt and just not worth it IMO.

Scale75 or Andrea golds are just as smooth, acrylic, water-based and even Vallejo Model Colour brass and gold are decent easy to use golds.

Vallejo also makes now, Metal Colour, which is designed for airbrush but very smooth and less separation than their Vallejo Air line - also water based.

Thanks anyway Interesting. How it turns on you? So far the paint being mostly liquid is biggest problem I have. Makes me think I got super old bottle from the store to begin with. But do like the look so maybe I can bear the Horus to the end. Just the mace left for gold work.

Don't have access to Scale75 or Andrea gold and postage just for bottle or two would be annoyingly high + take a long time.

Vallejo metal colour can be reasonably put on brush(3/0)? Feels like it would be too runny. And airbrushing this is hopeless idea. Would take hell of a masking all these super thin gold lines!

I'm in New England (USA) which has periods of high humidity, sometimes long ones, but it's not like I'm in the tropics... yet every bottle of Liquid Gold has eventually turned. What happens is they get clumpy, increasingly until they're just unusable. My group was super excited about these paints a few years back, but we've all moved on since.

Even if you can get through a project, or if your bottle never 'turns', you still have to deal with the frustrating of switching your clean water to alcohol. The Metal Colour actually are similar consistency to Liquid Gold, as in very thin.

You might like regular Vallejo Model Colour golds... particularly the Brass, Old Gold, and Gold are all excellent and you can thin them with water fairly easily. Scale75 and Andrea are smoother but if you can't get em you can't get em. The guys in my group have moved onto the newest version of the GW golds but I have not tried them myself.

After following Gunzhard's blog about his attempts at golds when he first posted it, and attempting much of the same myself; I agree completely. The liquid gold is great at first but it eventually goes bad. I'm in Toronto so a slightly colder and less humid area and I encountered the exact same thing with the entire line.

Scale75 golds are fantastic (all their metals really) and even the newer released citadel metals (there were three) have great coverage and color.

My liquid gold hasn't gone bad and I've had it for several years, though I perhaps don't use it as much as some other people, mostly just for detail work here and there.

Vallejo Metal Color is another option but it's a very thin paint with relatively poor coverage so if you're using it with a hairy brush it can be a bit of a pain (it's more designed to be built up over a black or grey primer using an airbrush).