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I haven't seen the full advanced rules yet, just the basic rules leaks and index leaks.

If I wanted to take mostly Eldar units, but also add a few Dark Eldar units (without making the army Ynnari) what is the downside?
All units in my army would still have the faction keyword Aeldari.
Are there special stratagems that are only given if you have more than 1 faction keyword in common?

I know that special rules won't transfer (so a Farseer couldn't guide Ravagers, for example), but is that really it? What am I missing?

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Why does it need to be more than that? Not getting all the various rerolls and bonuses associated with your keywords is a pretty big hit. You're essentially taking a crappy version of someone elses unit in exchange for a unit you can actually buff.

The idea that it has to be more than that revolves around the seventh ed idea that the unit will be greater than the army and it may well not be. Even if allies do become commonplace we'll be looking at discrete forces (commissar+3 units of conscripts) which makes them much fluffier than just slamming a riptide wing into every army.

You only really miss out on certain effects from HQs

thats about it.

(in a general sense not just eldar)

you can kinda mix it up a bit with chaos and possessed chaos things but otherwise besides ynnari which is dumb, you only ever lose out on bonuses like reroll of 1s or stuff like that.

once the books come out im sure we will see some things like Space marine stratigums that cost like 2 points and does a thing only to keyword space marines. and whole detachments that also do a thing like that and unlock specific strats.


so far its all place holders. things will most likely get more specific as time goes on.

What about slamming Magnus into a Death Guard army?

currently the only disadvantages are not having their synergy of an army which shares more key words.

In your case if you wanted to take an autarch with kabalites it wouldn't be as effective as taking an archon with kabalites.

Other things like you can't put marines in a valkyrie or guard in a rhino are other reasons not to mix too much.

I anticipate more detachments will be released in the codices which will give each faction benefits which add to their flavour if you meet the requirements. This could be something like a unique blood angels detachment which requires you to take no one without key word BLOOD ANGELS and JUMP INFANTRY and they all get a re-roll to charge instead of command points or something.

Currently no downside.

Presumably, narrower keywords will grant stronger strategems in the distant future where everybody has a full codex again.

Right now: not much. Your HQ will just be limited in who they can buff.

But this is all likely to change with Codex releases. So don't go and build entire armies around this expecting it to stay the norm.

There are significant/non-trivial buffs (psychic powers, medics/healing, that sort of thing) on top of the +half a BS "reroll 1s" bubbles, so armies are still more effective if you don't go cherry-picking from all over the place. There is definitely an advantage to cherry-picking, but frankly the armies I see built that way aren't any weirder, unfluffier, or more bizzare/complicated than any army built with a CAD and a single Allied detachment would have been in 7th.

The main reason I ask is because I want to add Ravagers to my Eldar. I love Eldar and DE bikes and Skimmer and really want to add some long range multi-damage shooting.
I'd like to make it so that no living model in my army sets foot on the table. Wraith units can, but anything piloted by living Aeldari needs to be hovering. So War Walkers are out.

Ravangers seem the perfect addition and since I can just plug them into my Heavy slots, why bother with anything else?

It seems like it will be fine.

you are only really missing out on rerolling to hit and possibly? some psychic assistants but a ravager seems fairly self sufficient in the shooty department.

 Desubot wrote:
It seems like it will be fine.

you are only really missing out on rerolling to hit and possibly? some psychic assistants but a ravager seems fairly self sufficient in the shooty department.

That's what I am thinking. My Farseer will be occupied making sure my WK is worth its extreme points cost anyway.
And I might take 1-2 Autarchs to hang out will all my bikes for those sweet re-roll 1s and to protect them from assault

There is not much of a disadvantage.

Right now I look at the armies as
* Imperial
* Chaos
* Eldar
* Necrons
* Nids
* Orks
* Tau