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If you have a Unit of 5 Models, and lose 4, only 1 Model remains. If you lose 4 Models from a Unit of 10 Models, 6 remain. Morale Check is the same for both. But, wouldnt you feel more confident if there are 5 Buddies around you, instead of you being alone ? The Morale Check should be modified by the Percentage of Models lost. A Unit of 5 losing 4 has lost 80%. A Unit of 10 losing 4 has only lost 40%. The Morale Check for the single remaining Model should be harder, because its Unit suffered 80% losses.

I think this why Orks have Mob Rule, basically making their Leadership equal to unit size or nearby unit size, so the bigger the unit is, the higher the leadership. But it's not needed for most units.

Personally I'd say it's fine as-is; it's not my favourite mechanic for representing Morale but it's simple. In the examples you give, if that unit of five loses 4 models then it'll be a miracle if that lone model stays, as on Leadership 7 you're looking at a 50/50 chance of them fleeing. Whereas on the unit of 10 with six remaining, at most you'll lose half of those left.

Haravikk's right.

This is the edition of "simplified rules" designed to streamline and speed play as much as possible. You're talking about calculating percentages in the midst of a game...
You're not wrong, but it's completely counter the design philosophy of this edition.

A simple rule could be a -1 to the Morale check if you lose more than 50% of the Unit. Thats not complicated.

p5freak wrote:
A simple rule could be a -1 to the Morale check if you lose more than 50% of the Unit. Thats not complicated.

But then, is it really needed? The more you lose/the smaller the unit, the more the Morale test hurts you. If you lost 50% of your unit then you're already looking at a Morale test that you're probably going to fail badly, meanwhile if your unit was already small then even a slight failure of the test hurts you more than if the unit was bigger.

Think of it this way; if you lose four models of a 5 model Leadership 7 unit, you've got a 50/50 chance of losing 100% of the unit in total as a result of that Morale test. If you lose four models of a 10 model Leadership 7 unit, you've got a 50% chance of losing nothing (so 40% loss in total) and a 50% chance of losing 1-3 more (50-70% total losses).

In that sense the percentage you lost is already being reflected; because it makes it harder to pass the test, and failure costs you more of what few models you have left in the unit.


I think the case you're really looking to address are units that are small in size, but have high enough Leadership to ignore the fact they're being wiped out, but really if they're small enough to become unrealistically stubborn, then they're small enough to wipe out so it's not really worth making them a special case IMO. And still, while they might resist Morale tests, a bad roll will still hurt them more than for a bigger unit.

 Haravikk wrote:

The more you lose/the smaller the unit, the more the Morale test hurts you. If you lost 50% of your unit then you're already looking at a Morale test that you're probably going to fail badly, meanwhile if your unit was already small then even a slight failure of the test hurts you more than if the unit was bigger.

Yes, thats realistic. But, i forgot, we dont want anything slightly realistic in 8th Ed.

mechanically I think the point was that small units are less vulnerable to morale loses at the expense of detachment skills and sharing unit wide buffs. The other point might be that a 30 model unit is filled with grunts, the same models in a 5 model unit would be a specialist team all without giving them different stat lines.