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They're now 8 point guardsmen with bolters when fire warriors get a 4+ and a better gun. I can't really see why you'd ever run them after this kind of a nerf.

Why was it necessary to take away most the inquisition's models and nerf the rest of them until they're only inquisitors?

Yeah inquisition needs a rethink, 4+ armour inquisitors when they've almost always been in power armour in fluff and pictures etc, acolytes who serve no purpose and are overcosted.

At least the Inquisitor themself is still a neat psyker who can help out pretty much every imperium force in some way

Lol they were pretty broken before i did not think anyone honestly thought they were fair or balanced.

Sent into oblivion. I bought a Chimera for them. The rest of my Ministorum units can't ride in it.... I'll give it to my Scions or try to convert to a Hellhound...

Let me sing you the song of the Dire Avenger.

hobojebus wrote:
Lol they were pretty broken before i did not think anyone honestly thought they were fair or balanced.

They were only broken in power level, the points were fair, now they're bad at both.

hobojebus wrote:
Lol they were pretty broken before i did not think anyone honestly thought they were fair or balanced.

They were broken, but let's be honest; they were the only really good thing Inquisition had. Other than, of course, the rest of Index 1 and 2, which I guess Inquisition also sort of has.

Did they change it so that the Inquisitor models they make are actually legal?

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Did they change it so that the Inquisitor models they make are actually legal?

Singular. There's only one that isn't. And no, no changes to Inquisitors at all.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Did they change it so that the Inquisitor models they make are actually legal?

No. They fixed the similar issue on the SOB, but not on Inquisitors...


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 Purifier wrote:

Singular. There's only one that isn't. And no, no changes to Inquisitors at all.

If we believe their claim that a weapon that thus far has always been an incenerator now is an inferno pistol...

 Crimson wrote:

If we believe their claim that a weapon that thus far has always been an incenerator now is an inferno pistol...

No, they've been inferno pistols as long as I've known them. I tried seeing how far back I saw these two fellows referred to as inferno pistols and I see it at least back to 2014 here on dakka.

Perhaps. It looks nothing like marine and SoB inferno pistols though.

 Purifier wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

If we believe their claim that a weapon that thus far has always been an incenerator now is an inferno pistol...

No, they've been inferno pistols as long as I've known them. I tried seeing how far back I saw these two fellows referred to as inferno pistols and I see it at least back to 2014 here on dakka.

Spoiler:

I can help ya there. It's specifically listed as an inferno pistol from the 3rd Ed Witch Hunter Codex. An example illustration paired with a descriptor is on page 21 of the Witch Hunter Codex.

 Purifier wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

If we believe their claim that a weapon that thus far has always been an incenerator now is an inferno pistol...

No, they've been inferno pistols as long as I've known them. I tried seeing how far back I saw these two fellows referred to as inferno pistols and I see it at least back to 2014 here on dakka.

Spoiler:

I still feel like the inquisition lost all its flavor, and that it needs some love, right now it's basically only inquisitors as monkies have nothing really to buff and get sniped way to easily, acolytes suck and deamon hosts are way too glass cannon.

Inquisition seems super flat now. Aside from borrowing a transport...it has no real teeth. Can't conscript from other imperium units, doesn't seem to mesh well with anyone currently. Sad...I love the Inquisition

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Can't conscript from other imperium units

Yeah, they can. Just that everyone can. Just pick whatever units you want from whatever Index:Imperium you want. Bam, conscripted.

 Purifier wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Can't conscript from other imperium units

Yeah, they can. Just that everyone can. Just pick whatever units you want from whatever Index:Imperium you want. Bam, conscripted.

A fluffy inquisition lost is now almost 0% inquisition

There regular humans...

Most are one wound unless your superhuman. Or like yarrick.
Now maybe a upgrade option to add a extra wound, like super human transition. + 1w. And a +1S on change?

 jhe90 wrote:
There They're regular humans...

Most are one wound unless your you're superhuman. Or like Yarrick.
Now maybe an upgrade option to add an extra wound, like super human transition. + 1w. And a +1S on changecharge?

That argument doesn't really hold when an Inquisitor is W5, and an Acolyte is basically a would-be Inquisitor. Just becoming an Acolyte they've already shown themselves to be spectacular in some way, fluff-wise. The Inquisition is really the biggest thing any human in the empire can aspire towards, so they don't just take in any chump to start their potential training towards becoming an Inquisitor.

This was done for balance reasons. Not for fluff-reasons.

 Purifier wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Can't conscript from other imperium units

Yeah, they can. Just that everyone can. Just pick whatever units you want from whatever Index:Imperium you want. Bam, conscripted.

Except none of them benefit from being under the control of the Inquisitor....which is the entire point of being in/conscripted by the Inquisition. Want to roll Coteaz with some Crusader guards? Sure - except they can't board any transports Edit: Ah they can, hiding under the Sisters banner I see.


Hmm.. howabout some good ol' AM? Slice off a good chunk of benefits that Inquisitors can bestow since they lack the Ordo keyword (some work on just Imperium units). Thats right boys and girls... those nice Order benefits like being able to re-roll require the Ordo word, which only other Inquisitors and Acolytes have - which are now useless since you cant kit them out other than special weapon spam. For every one avenue opened by Imperium keyword, another seems shut down from what the Inquisition does.

Right now, I can't really find a reason to take an Inquisitor, other than for psych use. Still has it's place, but now my army is X with a smidge of Inquisition, rather than the Big I being on the field with all his little minions. To be honest - most of my salt stems from all my Stormtroopers no longer having a place. Running them as acolytes just feels weird if I can't pay for better armor :|

 ncshooter426 wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Can't conscript from other imperium units

Yeah, they can. Just that everyone can. Just pick whatever units you want from whatever Index:Imperium you want. Bam, conscripted.

Except none of them benefit from being under the control of the Inquisitor....which is the entire point of being in/conscripted by the Inquisition. Want to roll Coteaz with some Crusader guards? Sure - except they can't board any transports (oops). Hmm.. howabout some good ol' AM? Slice off a good chunk of benefits that Inquisitors can bestow since they lack the Ordo keyword (some work on just Imperium units). Thats right boys and girls... those nice Order benefits like being able to re-roll require the Ordo word, which only other Inquisitors and Acolytes have - which are now useless since you cant kit them out other than special weapon spam. For every one avenue opened by Imperium keyword, another seems shut down from what the Inquisition does.

Right now, I can't really find a reason to take an Inquisitor, other than for psych use. Still has it's place, but now my army is X with a smidge of Inquisition, rather than the Big I being on the field with all his little minions.

Yeah, but at least you can field that huge army you've built with a bunch of awesome Inquisition-scheme AM tanks. Everyone lost their flavour in the indexes. The Inquisition isn't alone in that, and everyone knows that this is temporary. As Ad Mech I have Canticles. It's one little table with 6 little options that are supposedly my army's whole identity now, if I were to see the index as my army. It's not a bad table, but it's hardly a huge mass of flavour that really cements the army as a shining beacon. It's a single dice roll. Everyone has lost flavour.

 Purifier wrote:


Yeah, but at least you can field that huge army you've built with a bunch of awesome Inquisition-scheme AM tanks. Everyone lost their flavour in the indexes. The Inquisition isn't alone in that, and everyone knows that this is temporary. As Ad Mech I have Canticles. It's one little table with 6 little options that are supposedly my army's whole identity now, if I were to see the index as my army. It's not a bad table, but it's hardly a huge mass of flavour that really cements the army as a shining beacon. It's a single dice roll. Everyone has lost flavour.

Fliers are where it's at! I guess I can just skirt and not bind any troops to the Inquisitor, just let them "happen" to be in the same Valkyrie as the storm troopers. Just wish I've Been Expecting You (whatever it's called now) worked on any friendly unit, not ordo units :(

 Purifier wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 ncshooter426 wrote:
Can't conscript from other imperium units

Yeah, they can. Just that everyone can. Just pick whatever units you want from whatever Index:Imperium you want. Bam, conscripted.

Except none of them benefit from being under the control of the Inquisitor....which is the entire point of being in/conscripted by the Inquisition. Want to roll Coteaz with some Crusader guards? Sure - except they can't board any transports (oops). Hmm.. howabout some good ol' AM? Slice off a good chunk of benefits that Inquisitors can bestow since they lack the Ordo keyword (some work on just Imperium units). Thats right boys and girls... those nice Order benefits like being able to re-roll require the Ordo word, which only other Inquisitors and Acolytes have - which are now useless since you cant kit them out other than special weapon spam. For every one avenue opened by Imperium keyword, another seems shut down from what the Inquisition does.

Right now, I can't really find a reason to take an Inquisitor, other than for psych use. Still has it's place, but now my army is X with a smidge of Inquisition, rather than the Big I being on the field with all his little minions.

Yeah, but at least you can field that huge army you've built with a bunch of awesome Inquisition-scheme AM tanks. Everyone lost their flavour in the indexes. The Inquisition isn't alone in that, and everyone knows that this is temporary. As Ad Mech I have Canticles. It's one little table with 6 little options that are supposedly my army's whole identity now, if I were to see the index as my army. It's not a bad table, but it's hardly a huge mass of flavour that really cements the army as a shining beacon. It's a single dice roll. Everyone has lost flavour.

Did you lose all your models then get your only useful non HQ unit nuked into uselessness?

 Jaxler wrote:


Did you lose all your models then get your only useful non HQ unit nuked into uselessness?

... Did you lose all your models? I don't think it's GW's fault if you misplaced them. It's pretty obvious that the Inquisition is supposed to take units from other armies, the AM specifically. I'm not saying the Inquisition is doing well here. I'm just saying it's temporary, and this quite clearly isn't the Inquisition's final form. This is the Inquisition being allowed to play for now. I mean hell, look at hilarious things like the Jokaero. Looks good? Except there is really nothing worth using him on because of <Ordo>. That's pretty hilarious. This is a stop gap. This is not your army. It's a temporary list of things that works in the new rules.

Acolytes with 3 wounds wasn't healthy. It didn't give Inquisition a good unit, it made everyone else in the Imperium start looking at what Inquisitor they were gonna bring as their psycher instead of taking their own.

do you folks mind filling me in, because I really think that this is a joke thread. . .
In the DH and WH codex-es Acolytes were single wound models. In the GK codex they were single wound models. In the Inquisition pdf, they were a single wound model. Is it such a surprise that they remain single wound models?

 carldooley wrote:
do you folks mind filling me in, because I really think that this is a joke thread. . .
In the DH and WH codex-es Acolytes were single wound models. In the GK codex they were single wound models. In the Inquisition pdf, they were a single wound model. Is it such a surprise that they remain single wound models?

It seems to me like acolytes were given three wounds by a typo and now their freaking out over a nerf that wasn't really a nerf just a correction

 carldooley wrote:
do you folks mind filling me in, because I really think that this is a joke thread. . .
In the DH and WH codex-es Acolytes were single wound models. In the GK codex they were single wound models. In the Inquisition pdf, they were a single wound model. Is it such a surprise that they remain single wound models?

Welcome to Dakka, where people will complain about anything that isn't a straight up buff to their armies. Please enjoy the complimentary Ham and Cheese platter with extra salt and a side of Wine.

In all seriousness, I think it's more because Acolytes were basically your "build a model" unit from the past two editions, and people are just miffed that they've returned to their original role of "abalative wounds for the inquisitor" like in the old Daemon/Witch Hunter dexes.

carldooley wrote:do you folks mind filling me in, because I really think that this is a joke thread. . .
In the DH and WH codex-es Acolytes were single wound models. In the GK codex they were single wound models. In the Inquisition pdf, they were a single wound model. Is it such a surprise that they remain single wound models?

To be fair, we had people whining about how bad they were when they thought they had 3 wounds...

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

If we believe their claim that a weapon that thus far has always been an incenerator now is an inferno pistol...

No, they've been inferno pistols as long as I've known them. I tried seeing how far back I saw these two fellows referred to as inferno pistols and I see it at least back to 2014 here on dakka.

It looks like a hand flamer...

It has a fuel tank...

And it dates back to a time where the idea of exactly what it was a meltagun did and how it worked was very different than what it is in the modern game. Irregardless it's the only actual example of what a 'modern' inferno pistol looks like, being the same general look as the one in the 3rd edition Witch Hunters codex, which is allegedly built in M38.

Now, I was under the impression that an Incinerator was a heavy flamer type weapon.

In all those previous threads the acolytes were both cheaper and able to take other armour.

As it is they are 8pt veterans with bolters and a 6 man maximum