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When we first saw the Primaris Marines I thought that for the most part they looked good. The 'assault marines' look terrible and the captain in gravis armor has a terrible pose. Besides that I was kind of interested.

But the longer I look at them the less I like them and the less I think they fit the 40k aesthetic. The names of the units are absurd! Their size is ridiculous. Their fluff is terrible. The new dreadnought looks great but is way too big. The new Reavers have cool looking helmets but look like they have chicken legs, not very intimidating. The new hover tank thing has a cool looking hull but a terrible looking arrangment of weapons. I dont think I will ever be able to warm up to them.

I've tried to like them but I just cant. Just had to get that off my chest.

Just as well you don't have to buy them. Play them. Paint them. Read about them.

I really don't like Golf. So you know what? I don't think about it.

Better get used to them because they are all we'll have by 9th.

I am getting them though admitadly only if priced correctly. I am passing on the librarian (purely on principle of $35 for a blister pack) and will instead be converting my own counts as from a primaris marine. I have 4 captains in gravis plus 8 LT and 4 banner ancients so plenty to work with to modify.

I've never been interested in them. They're unnecessary and I won't be getting any.

^^^ True.... did you not read the statement from GW describing how/when you need to return all of your existing models in order for them to be melted down and turned in Primaris marines. Ask BaconCatBug for the link. He has obviously read it.

I like the standard primaris, but i will use them for their looks, to represent big burly wolves. And thats about all, rest about primaris is really boring.

 Hollow wrote:


I really don't like Golf. So you know what? I don't think about it.

Profound words of wisdom, right here.

Loving them, building them, painting them, and will be playing them once they're ready.

I just want the Repulsor and Redemptor to come out already. "Soon" wasn't really soon..

I'm frankly torn on them. On one hand, I never play in any organized fashion, so having them count as truescale marines won't conflict with others being used as actual Primaris marines (I'm thinking a powersword lieutenant, a hellblaster trooper, and three Intercessors "counting as" a Sergeant, plasma gunner and three tacticals for small skirmish games). They are very technically well done miniatures that are finally an example of well-proportioned Space Marines.

On the other hand, used that way they'd clash horribly with the dozens of normal Space Marines (three large forces!) I have collected and painted over the last 20 years.

And on top of all that, they still end up being yet more marines to paint up, which has gotten increasingly boring over the years! There's only so many times you can run a brush over the same general power armor plates before you wish for sweet release......

Well I was never wowed by their fluff and rules and as times gone on I don't think I'll bother adding any to my space wolves.

Especially if they cost what I suspect they will.

No beaks.
Enough said.

I am still painting mine and I quite like the minis. Intercessors might be OK as back-field units in place of small Tac squads. They lack the heavy/special weapon but their bolt guns are better and longer ranged which kinda balances out.

I like Hellblasters but I have always had an unhealthy obsession with plasma right back since 1st edition. Walk them up the field with a character who allows them to reroll 1s and you have a unit that your opponent cannot afford to ignore. Overcharge for days!

Inceptors are massively overpriced! The points cost in the mini-dex looked about right but at 225 points for a squad in II1, I will not be fielding them. You can get more wounds and dakka for the same points with attack bikes or land speeders.

I don't really like the aesthetics of the Rievers but I will wait to see rules/stats/cost before I write them off. Same for the Repulsor.

There should be another Heavy support unit with missile launchers coming out which might be interesting. Aggressors?

 jeff white wrote:
No beaks.
Enough said.

Totally agree.
If they had the beaks I'd be buying them.

Not a fan. I'd rather they'd just made intercessors only, so our old-marines still had the tactical flexibility and multiple roles.

Not to mention the weapons and names are beyond awful.

Heavy bolter pistols... just what the hell are they thinking...

This is saturday-morning cartoon levels of awfulness.

And to those saying 'I don't like golf, just ignore it' - the company only has so much time and resources, so this crap comes at the expense of stuff we'd rather see.

zerosignal wrote:
Not a fan. I'd rather they'd just made intercessors only, so our old-marines still had the tactical flexibility and multiple roles.

Not to mention the weapons and names are beyond awful.

Heavy bolter pistols... just what the hell are they thinking...

This is saturday-morning cartoon levels of awfulness.

And to those saying 'I don't like golf, just ignore it' - the company only has so much time and resources, so this crap comes at the expense of stuff we'd rather see.

such as? remember the stuff they'd give us instead would be Marine stuff, what space marine stuff do we need?

I'd rather see non-marine stuff for a change, obvs.

How about plastic aspect warriors, it's been what twenty years and we still don't have plastic aspects. Just abysmal.

The whole CSM line is beyond garbage and needs updating. Yes, we're getting new DG stuff, which is cool, but it seems the Primaris are getting priority. Sigh.

Same old geederps.

 Hollow wrote:
Just as well you don't have to buy them. Play them. Paint them. Read about them.

I really don't like Golf. So you know what? I don't think about it.

You absolutely need to read about them, and quite likely play against them.

In your golf analogy, it's as if a new club was brought out called a Sliffy, more like a lacrosse stick than a normal club, and all the major tournaments and courses immediately adopted the Sliffy as an official club. All the golf magazines have been bought out by Sliffy International, and are banging on in articles about how fantastic the Sliffy is and how all players are thrilled the Sliffy is here. You can't read a golf magazine or golf forum without seeing Sliffy discussion, and a lot of other players are adding the Sliffy to their bags even though you're frankly of the opinion a "club" that lets you lift the ball off the ground and hurl it in an overarm throw is completely against what the game stands for.

Or to drop the analogy and say it bluntly: Don't be surprised people are complaining about something they can't avoid seeing everywhere that changes something they like.

They still look like Marines in a different scale to me.

 Hollow wrote:
Just as well you don't have to buy them. Play them. Paint them. Read about them.

I really don't like Golf. So you know what? I don't think about it.

Your analogies get worse by the second.

A closer analogy to use would be saying "I'm not a fan of the 9 Iron", but other people are still going to be using it, just as other people are going to be using Primaris Marines. You can't just pretend they're not there. If your analogy made any damned sense, the equivalent of not thinking about gold would be the OP quitting 40K.

If people are using and enjoying Primaris Marines then I don't really see why you disliking them matters.

With that said I think its a missed opportunity.

The intercessors are good. I can understand people going "but the mini's (I bought a decade ago) won't match..." but if by 2020 a new tactical marine kit was released and it was proportioned like these with a full set of options I could understand it.

I don't mind the characters, although I can see why some might not.

Everything else though is bad. Hellblasters have a terrible name and are kind of a stupid concept. Inceptors take that a step further. Maybe its the paint job but Reivers are ugly and a giant fluff WTF. The vehicles just seem unnecessary.

 Kellevil wrote:
When we first saw the Primaris Marines I thought that for the most part they looked good. The 'assault marines' look terrible and the captain in gravis armor has a terrible pose. Besides that I was kind of interested.

But the longer I look at them the less I like them and the less I think they fit the 40k aesthetic. The names of the units are absurd! Their size is ridiculous. Their fluff is terrible. The new dreadnought looks great but is way too big. The new Reavers have cool looking helmets but look like they have chicken legs, not very intimidating. The new hover tank thing has a cool looking hull but a terrible looking arrangment of weapons. I dont think I will ever be able to warm up to them.

I've tried to like them but I just cant. Just had to get that off my chest.

I agree with pretty much all of your specific pros and cons, but overall, I would rate the Primaris releases we've seen so far as OK. I probably won't pick any up until I see more of the full range fleshed out. For now I'll just stick with my regular Dark Angels. The only thing I refuse to do with Primaris Marines is mix them together with my regular marines. Primaris Bros next to my Midget Bros just makes them look silly.

Hmm, wait! Maybe the Squats never went anywhere! They've been hiding in plain sight all along!

Marines ARE Squats!

Hellblasters aren't that stupid of a concept. Aren't some specialist squads from the Heresy organized the same way?

Just GW as a business reselling their most popular product to their customers.
I will buy the few I'm interested in but in no way plan to replace my army with them. And may the day come in which short marines and there weapon load outs have no rules (which I think most people agree slim to no chance of happening) will be the day I bow out of the hobby. For now I'm enjoying and playing what I have and ignoring GW business moves that don't interest me.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Hellblasters aren't that stupid of a concept. Aren't some specialist squads from the Heresy organized the same way?

Heavy support and tactical support. 5-10 men all with special or heavy weapons.

Some people dont like normal marines, orks, Tyranids, etc
The hate for Tau is known for everybody. Many people dont like to read about them or play against them.
Just dealt with ir. Primaris arent any different.

Well, easiest means of getting GW do stop a trend of theirs is to not buy it.
I too am suspicious of the "true-scale" marines being the eventual replacement.
Was it not enough to large-size the bases to our marines? (I do agree that proportion-wise they sit better on them though).

I think the group of them in the starter-box is just fine.
I suspect GW will not want to change any normal marine kit for quite some time (need to pay off the mold tooling some 100x first!).
So like them or not, I anticipate they will be flogging all kinds of models for these guys for the majority of marine releases.

It will be interesting to see where the focus will be next.
Possibly a new IG/AM Joe-grunt box set?
I think it is the same models since they came out of pewter.
Speaking of that, I wonder how many "active" marine character models are still in the tiny old Terminator armor?
I think a friend of mine uses his really old metal Orks as Gretchin/Goblins since the size difference is that substantial.

I guess from all those wandering asides I am making is that scale creep has been an on-going thing with GW.
It is another means of building obsolescence of old models since their greatest competition is people selling off their old collections.

zerosignal wrote:
Not a fan. I'd rather they'd just made intercessors only, so our old-marines still had the tactical flexibility and multiple roles.

The old marines do still have the tactical flexibility and multiple roles. Its part of the reason the primaris aren't very good. They're all overpriced gimmick units, while traditional marines are functional workhorses.

Oddly enough, the troops choice primaris marines-- Intercessors-- are some of the troops choices point per point in the game.

You get a LOT of good stats for 100 points. 2 attacks (3 on sarge), 2 wounds, 30" AP-1 boltgun, frag/krak/pistol, all equipment is completely free... it's a solid troops choice.

in·ter·ces·sor
ˈin(t)ərˌsesər/
noun
a person who intervenes on behalf of another, especially by prayer.
"they rejected the notion that an intercessor was needed to appeal to God"


inceptor
Noun
(plural inceptors)
A beginner; one in the rudiments.
(UK) One who is on the point of taking a Master of Arts degree at an English university.

reaver
n.
Old English reafere "plundering forager,"

reave
rēv/
verbarchaic
carry out raids in order to plunder.
rob (a person or place) of something by force.
"reft of a crown, he yet may share the feast"
steal (something).


ab·surd
əbˈsərd,əbˈzərd/
adjective
wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.

Reiver, not Reaver. It refers to raiding forces.