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In the Core Rules on page 183, last paragraph, the rules says "To take a morale check, roll a dice..." "A dice?" What does that mean 1 die, two dice, three dice? Also which one D3, D6? Now I'm assuming they meant one D6 but one can't be sure. It seems it wasn't caught for the recent FAQ. Was there anything else put out on this. Anyone know what it is supposed to be?
   
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It wasn't put out, but I think between everything that's been released and GW's own website stating how to take morale tests, we can safely say that you roll 1 d6.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/03/new-warhammer-40000-morale/

The mechanics are simple – any units that suffered casualties in a turn must take a Morale test at the end of it. You just roll a D6, add the number of models from the unit that have been slain, and if the number is bigger than the unit’s Leadership, the unit loses the difference in additional models.

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 Yarium wrote:
It wasn't put out, but I think between everything that's been released and GW's own website stating how to take morale tests, we can safely say that you roll 1 d6.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/03/new-warhammer-40000-morale/

The mechanics are simple – any units that suffered casualties in a turn must take a Morale test at the end of it. You just roll a D6, add the number of models from the unit that have been slain, and if the number is bigger than the unit’s Leadership, the unit loses the difference in additional models.


Thanks. I thought I read I somewhere but couldn't remember where as that page was put out for the 8th as a teaser. I would say that is official enough to warrant an official correction of the typo.
   
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"Dice" can be singular. Actually that's probably more common now than "die", and I think that's GW's standard usage.
   
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Dionysodorus wrote:
"Dice" can be singular. Actually that's probably more common now than "die", and I think that's GW's standard usage.


Maybe in British English it is... he he. Dang Brits, don't they know English?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dice says: "plural noun, singular die."

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From a proper dictionary (Oxford):
Usage
Historically, dice is the plural of die, but in modern standard English dice is both the singular and the plural: throw the dice could mean a reference to either one or more than one dice
   
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They actually addressed this in an early Age of Sigmar FAQ IIRC. 'Dice' as singular is acceptable, and arguably sounds more natural to English-speakers now. In AoS, they almost always use "dice" rather than "D6" in text.

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Consistency is important in rules writing as inconsistency causes ambiguity and doubt. The rules should address dice in a consistent manner and thus throughout the rules for WH40K it should always of the xDx method such as D6, 4D3 etc.

I'll have to say, that after 30 years of writing rules, GW is still not very good at it. The fact that FAQ had to come out so quick hints that the 8th Edition may have been rushed out the door without proper editing.

   
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Blackcloud6 wrote:
Consistency is important in rules writing as inconsistency causes ambiguity and doubt. The rules should address dice in a consistent manner and thus throughout the rules for WH40K it should always of the xDx method such as D6, 4D3 etc.

I'll have to say, that after 30 years of writing rules, GW is still not very good at it. The fact that FAQ had to come out so quick hints that the 8th Edition may have been rushed out the door without proper editing.



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Seriously, people are finding the most pedantic things to argue over now that 8th has been released. The RAI are clear, everyone knows what GW meant, stop trying to make problems where there are none.

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Literally page 1 of the rules.

TOOLS OF WAR
In order to fight a battle, you will require a tape measure and some dice.
[...]
Warhammer 40,000 uses six-sided dice...

"A dice" means a singular die.
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
Seriously, people are finding the most pedantic things to argue over now that 8th has been released. The RAI are clear, everyone knows what GW meant, stop trying to make problems where there are none.


With very few exceptions, the rules are abundantly clear. Most of the "questions" on here are from a perspective of someone trying to get away with something that they shouldn't, purposely misunderstanding, or adding things in that don't exist.

There's literally a thread discussing what "within" means. (edit: It disappeared...now I guess we will never know.)

I'm seriously waiting for the discussion thread ...."roll the dice"??? Does GW expect us to have round dice?

There are a few outliers that are legitimate rules ambiguities.

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Thommy H wrote:
They actually addressed this in an early Age of Sigmar FAQ IIRC. 'Dice' as singular is acceptable, and arguably sounds more natural to English-speakers now. In AoS, they almost always use "dice" rather than "D6" in text.


Depends where you live. On the east coast of the Unites States, dice as singular sounds really wrong. One is a die. Two are dice. GW's usage of 'dice' as a singular is actually pretty jarring to a lot of people.

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 Kriswall wrote:
Thommy H wrote:
They actually addressed this in an early Age of Sigmar FAQ IIRC. 'Dice' as singular is acceptable, and arguably sounds more natural to English-speakers now. In AoS, they almost always use "dice" rather than "D6" in text.


Depends where you live. On the east coast of the Unites States, dice as singular sounds really wrong. One is a die. Two are dice. GW's usage of 'dice' as a singular is actually pretty jarring to a lot of people.

It's pretty much the same to us farther west. When growing up "dice" was always plural because they are rarely used singly in the standard board game. It would be like saying "a people" when you are talking about just one person (though 'a people' would work when talking about a group of people like a race).

Some vernacular changes come across because of sheer laziness. No one sought to open up a dictionary to see what the singular of dice was, so it has been growing as a singular usage as well. Not to mention, saying, "Anyone wanna die?" can sound rather threatening without context.

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"a dice" is more common than "a die" in british english these days, and has been for several decades - GW is just reflecting that since the bulk of the staff are british.

Separated by a common language, and all that.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=throw+a+die%2Cthrow+a+dice&year_start=1950&year_end=2005&corpus=18&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cthrow%20a%20die%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cthrow%20a%20dice%3B%2Cc0
   
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To be fair, 'dice' for the singular in UK English appears to be popular due to GW these days rather than the other way round. Plenty of gamers I knew back in the Eighties and Nineties used to complain about them not using 'die'.
   
 
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