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Agreed on the shared rapier wishlist. Make a base platform with a quad launcher, laser destroyer and quad bolter option, then a SM crew sprue with grav cannon and plating, and a SA crew with quad multilayer and plating.

Before tarantulas though they should get to the outriders, javelins, and landspeeders for marines, and aurox/carnodons and ogryns for solar aux.

I'd rather see Tarantulas, selfishly, because the missile launcher variant has been unavailable for quite some time. Additionally, it would be nice to see them as a 3 pack since that's the minimum battery size.

I personally can't wait for the command sprue to be released, I need those banners for my Primaris marines

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'd rather see Tarantulas, selfishly, because the missile launcher variant has been unavailable for quite some time. Additionally, it would be nice to see them as a 3 pack since that's the minimum battery size.

Incoming pack of 2 tarantulas...

Tarantula would be easy low hanging fruit

I already have 3 HB & 2 LC resin Tarantulas. I don't really need more.. Especially if GW releases that uglier looking LI Astartes one in 28mil. Much prefer the SA version (which is the style of the current resin 28mil ones)

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Far, but you know what could be in a Command Squad kit?

Combi weapons
Charnabal weapons
Selection of powered weapons

You mean like the Combi Weapon pack you can buy? Or the upcoming melee weapon kit? Weird that all of these things are either currently in circulation or have literally been shown already.

And most of all, Artificer armour which is mandatory gear for all members and 4 fancy shoulder pads aren't cutting it. This kit isn't fit for duty.

Seeing as AA is specifically more common in the Heresy era and doesn't have to be festooned with skulls, purity seals, or other gubbins because that's generally considered a post-Heresy thing, are you whinging because you didn't get 10 slightly fancier shoulder pads?

When I started HH, we didn't have any fancy schmancy plastic kits. We had sticks! Two sticks, and a rock for the whole group and we had to share the rock! Buck up, boy, you are one very lucky hobbyist!

We’ve not yet seen the Assault Weapon Sprues though.

Hopefully it’ll be a good spread though.

 Gert wrote:
Seeing as AA is specifically more common in the Heresy era and doesn't have to be festooned with skulls, purity seals, or other gubbins because that's generally considered a post-Heresy thing, are you whinging because you didn't get 10 slightly fancier shoulder pads?

Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.

Aaaaand there it is.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.

I genuinely wasn't sure if this was a serious comment or not.

I guess I'm still not sure?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.

I genuinely wasn't sure if this was a serious comment or not.

I guess I'm still not sure?

Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.

 morganfreeman wrote:
Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.

Finally, someone cultured.

In all seriousness though, seeing the constant complaining that every single kit isn't perfect is beyond grating at this point. Heresy used to be about scraping chest eagles off of Space Marines and hunting for fancy helmets for extortionate prices. Now if a kit doesn't have every single option on the data sheet or a resin model gets shown instead of plastic, people start foaming at the mouth. Perspective has been lost and the art of finding solutions with it.

 Gert wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.

Finally, someone cultured.

In all seriousness though, seeing the constant complaining that every single kit isn't perfect is beyond grating at this point. Heresy used to be about scraping chest eagles off of Space Marines and hunting for fancy helmets for extortionate prices. Now if a kit doesn't have every single option on the data sheet or a resin model gets shown instead of plastic, people start foaming at the mouth. Perspective has been lost and the art of finding solutions with it.

Man, how dare people expect a premium-priced product to include options! What nerve they have, not wanting to shell out an extra $80 to build a single squad appropriately! Why don't these darn whippersnappers get off my lawn?!

Given how expensive anything Games Workshop is, it seems pretty valid to expect the kits to be complete for their intended purposes.

And you can keep doing that if that’s your thing. Some people will be happy with this sprue, others will see it as a missed opportunity to make something more than a small upgrade sprue for existing models. And there’s nothing wrong with that, we all have different expectations for our hobby.

I wish they’d have done something like a Heroes of the Chapter kit, with distinct artificier armour, something different from the mass troops. While the mkIII armband didn’t look too bad with the heavy weapons, here it looks like it’s tacked on… Waiting what, half a year or more for a sprue with 2 banners, shields and power swords, seems lackluster.

Hey I have no problem finding solutions, they just don't involve rewarding poor product by throwing even more money at the company to convert up missing options. In fact I stated my solution in the previous post. But regarding perspective, Horus Heresy isn't some secret society where you walk uphill both ways in the snow with a boner to feel better than everybody else, it's just a product line of toy dudes, I can have negative reactions to poor product.

And Halo reference? Off to the Mantic thread with you then (this is intended in good fun)

The way things are going, I expect rapiers to come in boxes of three with a crew sprue that only builds one model but has accessories and new arms for the other five crew that come on the bog standard tactical/auxilia sprue also included in the box.
Not complaining, just guessing so I can be pleasantly surprised or quietly, yet smugly, correct in 16-24 months.

No One Important wrote:
The way things are going, I expect rapiers to come in boxes of three with a crew sprue that only builds one model but has accessories and new arms for the other five crew that come on the bog standard tactical/auxilia sprue also included in the box.
Not complaining, just guessing so I can be pleasantly surprised or quietly, yet smugly, correct in 16-24 months.

That actually sounds perfectly reasonable given the scope of HH production allotments. Would honestly be weird if warmachine crew were the first source of alternate poses.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 morganfreeman wrote:
Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.

Finally, someone cultured.

In all seriousness though, seeing the constant complaining that every single kit isn't perfect is beyond grating at this point. Heresy used to be about scraping chest eagles off of Space Marines and hunting for fancy helmets for extortionate prices. Now if a kit doesn't have every single option on the data sheet or a resin model gets shown instead of plastic, people start foaming at the mouth. Perspective has been lost and the art of finding solutions with it.

Man, how dare people expect a premium-priced product to include options! What nerve they have, not wanting to shell out an extra $80 to build a single squad appropriately! Why don't these darn whippersnappers get off my lawn?!

Given how expensive anything Games Workshop is, it seems pretty valid to expect the kits to be complete for their intended purposes.

Considering how HH kits compared to 40K actually still have a wealth of options and how GW for a change provides additional Upgrade sprues I feel Gert is not totally off.
Some people apparently want GW to do HH all in plastic and with options and with dynamic poses and with a stable rulebook. But it's GW we're talking about, they never pulled of all of these together in any of their Systems . Looking at other companies, I'm not even sure anyone makes a game like that, as we say in Germany, it's eine eierlegende Wollmilchsau

No One Important wrote:
The way things are going, I expect rapiers to come in boxes of three with a crew sprue that only builds one model but has accessories and new arms for the other five crew that come on the bog standard tactical/auxilia sprue also included in the box.
Not complaining, just guessing so I can be pleasantly surprised or quietly, yet smugly, correct in 16-24 months.

If I had to hazard a guess as to how it might work?
-"Body" frame for the Rapier itself, shared between both Astartes and Solar Auxilia with a Laser Destroyer.
-Weapon & crew frames specific to the faction. I could see Astartes maybe getting a Techmarine out of this setup, like how the Auxilia Command Frame lets you build a Marshal? Seated Auxilia would probably be a bigger frame than not.

I can't comment on the Heavy Bolter build. I don't know enough to know if the Solar Auxilia's "Gravis" is meant to be a "Quad" build.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Man, how dare people expect a premium-priced product to include options! What nerve they have, not wanting to shell out an extra $80 to build a single squad appropriately! Why don't these darn whippersnappers get off my lawn?!

Given how expensive anything Games Workshop is, it seems pretty valid to expect the kits to be complete for their intended purposes.

It has enough to give the whole unit swords, shields, and fancy hats, and has 2 banner options, and 4 banner toppers. You can buy the kit 4 times and every single unit can look different, at least as much as Space Marines can do. Has nobody also realised that the top benefit of this kit is that it can be used with Tactical Marines, Assault Marines, Jetbikes, and (eventually) Bikes as well? GW has given you a kit with the ability to make every single type of Power Armour level Command Squad and you're complaining because it only comes with swords?

Can I also just point out the absurdity of complaining that this kit doesn't give you all the options for every single Marine like people are only buying the Command Squad for an entire HH army? The only way you couldn't have spares of every single upgrade on the Command Squad list is if you throw away all the spare parts you have after finishing a unit, in which case that's so your own fault and not GWs.

 Gert wrote:

It has enough to give the whole unit swords, shields, and fancy hats, and has 2 banner options, and 4 banner toppers. You can buy the kit 4 times and every single unit can look different

Yes if you give one unit swords, the second shields, the third heads and the last one a flag you will have 4 different units, but then I'm not sure why you bought 4 kits

Look IDGAF about playing HH. I just want the best possible looking beakies ever. From that POV, this command upgrade is a clear miss. Stop confusing my griping as being unsatisfied by this kit as a HH product. I dont even play HH, only LI

Anyways, being upset by people having opinions online is just as tiresome as the whinging. So now we are both inconvenienced. Get over it

 tauist wrote:
Look IDGAF about playing HH. I just want the best possible looking beakies ever. From that POV, this command upgrade is a clear miss. Stop confusing my griping as being unsatisfied by this kit as a HH product. I dont even play HH, only LI

"I don't even care but I'm going to make multiple posts in this thread about the thing I don't care about".

Anyways, being upset by people having opinions online is just as tiresome as the whinging. So now we are both inconvenienced. Get over it

Ok there buddy. See what happens in a discussion is that people will make an assertion, and other people get to challenge that assertion. If the first person can't defend that assertion the discussion tends to break down.
For example:

P1 - This kit is rubbish it has no options at all and GW sucks.
P2 - The kit is an upgrade sprue which means you can then use it to make all the types of PA Command Squad. Also, the parts you mentioned are either already available elsewhere or are next in the release schedule.
P1 - You're on copium if you think this is good, and 3d Printer goes brrrr.

Do you maybe see where the discussion has broken down because P1 hasn't actually entertained the discussion but instead has immediately jumped to insults and irritation?
Don't come at me claiming some moral high ground and try to shut me down because you can't justify your opinions.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Hey if you're happy to gob down some copium and give money for basically a box of nothing, go ahead. No skin off my back, printer goes brrr. My guy just released a heavy weapon squad in reinforced Mk3 that's gonna make a better command squad than GW's kit.

I genuinely wasn't sure if this was a serious comment or not.

I guess I'm still not sure?

Gert’s comment was clearly a joke, but only if you made it to the end with the halo 2 reference.

I was quoting LBF, not Gert.

It would have been nice if the kit would have had more options of course, but it's clearly not "basically a box of nothing".

Edit: LBF's post reads like a parody to me. I assumed that they were being serious, but I couldn't quite believe it

 Gert wrote:

Ok there buddy. See what happens in a discussion is that people will make an assertion, and other people get to challenge that assertion. If the first person can't defend that assertion the discussion tends to break down.
For example:

P1 - This kit is rubbish it has no options at all and GW sucks.
P2 - The kit is an upgrade sprue which means you can then use it to make all the types of PA Command Squad. Also, the parts you mentioned are either already available elsewhere or are next in the release schedule.
P1 - You're on copium if you think this is good, and 3d Printer goes brrrr.

Do you maybe see where the discussion has broken down because P1 hasn't actually entertained the discussion but instead has immediately jumped to insults and irritation?
Don't come at me claiming some moral high ground and try to shut me down because you can't justify your opinions.

You are being dishonest in the examples you give. The parts you mentioned, the combi-weapons - could you please show me where they are, as I couldn't find them on the store. I found some resin weapons that require additional plastic components as they are not fit for use with the current kits. In any case, you think it's reasonable to pay € 19,5 for, say, resin upgrades (ten shoulder pads) or the supposed combi-weapons?

Heresy used to be all about "scraping chests", is the same type of crap comment you'd hear from the "you're not a proper ork if you don't convert all your vehicles". I've said before, people's expectations for the hobby vary wildly and it's not up to you or anyone else to pass judgement, or why people have to further justify their opinions. People have already said why they are disappointed, I'd think you'd just happy to provoke rather than meet halfway - The upgrade kit is low effort, they could've gone in a different direction (which is what people are complaining about). No one is picking up pitch forks and torches and going out to (further) roast GW.

Edit: Found the kit... 24,5 euros for five of each combi-weapons, non-compatible with the new kits, and terribly executed... yeah, that's totally reasonable! /S

It's okay, Gert says combi-weapons will be on the melee sprue and you don't actually need artificer armour for the unit entirely dressed in artificer armour, anyone saying otherwise is pointlessly whinging.

See, I can strawman too!

Back in my day we carved our miniatures out of raw blocks of polystyrene and thanked GW for the privilege of paying premium prices for it.

This is fun.

Seriously though, asking for a better product is pretty reasonable at this point. I've got 5 squads of Mk VI and at this point the repetition of the same poses is grating.

Gosh, I wish I had nothing better to do than to mither at strangers online!

Can we just agree to disagree, respect one another’s opinions without being a phallus about it?

I know this is the internet, but please. Less of it.

Lets make that official, knock it off now please.
This thread is for HH news and rumours, keep it to that. These tangents can be discussed in their own threads if you want to carry on the discussion, minus the rudeness.