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So, ww2 and aerial dogfighting game aint exactly something that is overflowing the marked, infact i dont even know of any other then ares`s resent re relese of their ww2 branch, but next year we get a new one from Warlord.

Not mutch official info around yet, but BoW manged to get some info from warlord (http://www.beastsofwar.com/blood-red-skies/warlord-games-teaser/)

"Blood Red Skies starts you off exploring the conflict between the British and the Germans during The Battle Of Britain in World War II. Inside the core game box, you’re going to be getting a set of Six Supermarine Spitfires and Six German Messerschmidts that will do battle in the skies over the Channel.

Planes, thanks to their flying bases, can be in three different states including Advantage, Neutral and Disadvantage. When shooting, you must do so from a state of a higher advantage than the enemy representing you zeroing in on them for the kill.
Of course, this is where the real skill of the game comes in as you try and outmanoeuvre and dodge your enemies, looking for the right time to strike. Combat seems incredibly deadly as combined strikes and working together as a squadron can end up downing planes if the enemy isn’t careful.

In true Warlord Games style, the mechanics feel easy to learn and hard to master. You’ll have a grip on the game in no time but the key positioning of your planes and choosing your targets is going to be where the growth of the game comes from."

Expected gameplay for the core box is around 45 mins, planes is in the 1/200 scale and it plays on a 4x4. you can use planes from other manufacturers but you still need the bases from BRS in order to use them.
it allso seems that there will be some elements from x-wing/armada as the game gives you the ability to mix and match different pilot cards, skill ratings, aircraft and more.


all in all, to mee it seems like this game will be a bit deeper then ww2 wings of glory but just as fast to play.
preorders are up allready.
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/blood-red-skies/

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Yeah, looks good, and with Andy Chamber's name attached to it, I may give this a go.

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Interested but need to see models and rules before considering pre-orders.

I liked Wings of War

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Interested but need to see models and rules before considering pre-orders.

I liked Wings of War


The Warlord Games website has them up on pre-orders, but you need a magnifying glass to actually see the models.

From what I can see, they look ok. The dice and cards look good.

If I'm being honest, Warlord has rarely let me down before, so I'll trust them on this.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
Interested but need to see models and rules before considering pre-orders.

I liked Wings of War


The Warlord Games website has them up on pre-orders, but you need a magnifying glass to actually see the models.

From what I can see, they look ok. The dice and cards look good.

If I'm being honest, Warlord has rarely let me down before, so I'll trust them on this.


Hmm yes I had a look at the same pics and they were not helpful tbh. They make nice models but I am not really enamoured of their BA style so waiting to see. I also backed the have the Battle of Britain boardgame on Kickstarter so it may be I just need a rule book and aces etc if the game looks interesting as I ordered a lot of extra planes for the KS.

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There are a lot of WWII Aerial Dogfighting games out there.

Really the most interesting thing about this one seems to be its lack of using a hex grid. LOL.

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"Models supplied unassembled and unpainted"

Though it looks interesting, I think I'll stick to Wings of Glory, myself.

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 Stormonu wrote:
"Models supplied unassembled and unpainted"

Though it looks interesting, I think I'll stick to Wings of Glory, myself.


Snap fit and colored plastic w/ stickers ...picture of the planes are so small you really can't get a good look at them
   
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Mississippi

What I can make out on those pictures leads me to believe they have been painted and are not the raw models.

1/200 is a little too small for my tired old eyes to be fiddling with painting, though I wouldn't mind giving the game a go if I ran across a demo or such.

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 Stormonu wrote:
What I can make out on those pictures leads me to believe they have been painted and are not the raw models.


1/200 is a little too small for my tired old eyes to be fiddling with painting, though I wouldn't mind giving the game a go if I ran across a demo or such.


I expect they all are prepainted, after all the limited description hints at that: "plastic fighter coloured aircraft"
And the snap fit part is simply place the plane on the stem and place the stem on the base, done.

But ofc there is 1 important question:
When they say that any model from any range can be used but only packs from BRS contains BRS bases, will the bases be sold seperatly?

IF so then atleast i would be happy as i could use my WoG models. 1 model for 2 games.


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 FrozenDwarf wrote:

I expect they all are prepainted, after all the limited description hints at that: "plastic fighter coloured aircraft"
And the snap fit part is simply place the plane on the stem and place the stem on the base, done.


Discussion on Warlord's official forum on the game has taken place with the understanding that the planes are unpainted. No one from Warlord has chimed in yet to say otherwise. That doesn't guarantee that the planes are unpainted (after all, no one from Warlord has used the word "unpainted", either). But it does seem to suggest that's the case.

As for the snap fit - I believe you are correct. The description of the box contents posted on the website seems to indicate that the snap-fit point is the plane to the base, and no other assembly of the figures is required.
   
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Mississippi

My quote was from the Warlord website; if you double-click on any of the sets, it states in the bottom left corner (in very small print) - "models are supplied UNASSEMBLED and UNPAINTED".

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That is a wierd thing to do imo for sutch small scale.
Only reason i could think of for this is to keep the product price "low".

After all, 1 fighter for WoG that comes prepainted and redy to play out of the box retails for 14$, will be inntresting to see the price for the plane packs for BRS

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I can;t believe they are not actually showing pics of the mdoels that you can see and yet asking for pre-roders.. Very strange.

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The product description is a bit vague, but I believe that the following is correct -

The core box contains six ME-109s, and six Spitfires. This is a bit of a guess on my part, though I'm pretty confident that it's true.
Each Squadron box contains six planes of the appropriate type (this is confirmed in the posted information, btw).

The bundles include one core box, and however many squadron boxes are included in your bundle (at least two).

So if you purchase the US bundle, you get a dozen P-51s, six ME-109s, and six Spitfires.
In contrast, if you purchase the British bundle, you get six ME-109s, and *eighteen* Spitfires.
If you purchase the Axis bundle, you get twelve ME-109s, six Spitfires, and six Zeroes.
   
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Good deal on NWS gaming if your looking to
http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/blredskse.html

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The problem I have with this is the scale of the minis. 1/200th is what 8mm? For that price range I want something with a little more size to it.

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I only just saw this game.

I'm actually quite excited. 1/200 is a nice scale. You have to remember that planes are quite large and they travel at high speeds.

Most WW2 fighters are around 10-12m wingspan, so at 1/200 scale that's about 50-60mm wingspan, or about 2" in the old money. At that scale you can still get away with medium bombers which will probably have 100 to 120mm wingspans. A B-17 would be 160mm wingspan, so probably getting a touch too big.

I grew up building 1/144 WW2 fighter models, so 1/200 doesn't sound too bad to me, even if my hands aren't as small as they used to be, lol.

There's a plethora of games that revolve around 1/144 and larger models, they tend to also revolve more around duels though. They also have crazy unrealistic ranges. Even at 1/200 speeds need to be scaled down (your average fighter would probably be chugging along at a good 500mm per second) but when you get to 1/144 scale or bigger the range compression required to play it on a table just becomes comical.

I'm excited for this because it looks like something that will scale to slightly larger battles than most games that are currently available.

When slightly dampens my excitement is the movement rules and "advantage" rules haven't really captured my interest. They seem a little bit too abstract for my liking.


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 Hückleberry wrote:
The problem I have with this is the scale of the minis. 1/200th is what 8mm? For that price range I want something with a little more size to it.
Will have to see how much the aircraft expansions cost when they come out to see what they are like. The base game is only £40, which comes with 12 aircraft and a bunch of cards, booklets, markers, etc. That doesn't seem too bad to me. The bundles seem, expensive, but will have to see how much they cost minus the 28mm "ace" figures.

You can buy 1/200 models from various sources usually about £2 each, but most the ones I've seen don't have brilliant detail and tend to look a bit wonky. There's some on Shapeways that are more expensive that I'll probably try and see how they come out.

For example...
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=224_93

or...
https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace/miniatures/aircraft?q=&sort=&facet%5BpdcId%5D%5B%5D=143&facet%5BpdcId%5D%5B%5D=497&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bmin%5D=1&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bmax%5D=2500&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bfrom%5D=1&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bto%5D=2500

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I have painted 1/200 scale airplanes and have some painted by others. It is a very workable size and it even allows for nuance, such as just off the production line vs. all beat up. I will probably paint some but am interested in seeing if I can do a conversion to the Warlord advantage base. I have a bunch or Wings of Glory models, which come painted and detailed down to the clear acrylic cockpits, so it would be great to use them.

I just wish there was more buzz from Warlord about this release. While I wait I guess I could read the rulebook for a fifth time...

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