Arcanis161 wrote:
Thousand Sons. Awesome paint scheme, lots of psyker stuff, some tough units, and no Wolfy Wolf of the Wolf Wolf.

1d4chan wrote:The true reason for all this, is that, we at /tg/, in our pathetic, low reaching mastery of comedy, have seen how idiotic it is that every Goddamn Space Wolf codex unnecessarily uses the word; 'wolf' as a prefix or a suffix in every 3rd sentence (similar to the tyranid codex shoe-horning the prefix bio- into every 3rd sentence). Since /tg/ is an easily angered monster, not unlike an Angry Marine, we attempt to furiously link Space Wolves to furries (its really fething annoying). As we are as fethed up as Chaos Pretty Marines.

It has been established in the Horus Heresy series that the VI Legion don't employ the word Wolf as much as they appear to. Wolf is readily apparent in their motifs, such as Leman Russ's titles as "Wolf-King" and "Great Wolf", as well as the formal name of the Wolf Guard, but it's not as overblown as it's made out to be. Apparently, whoever did the Fenrisian-to-Gothic translation made a few errors. First off, they don't call themselves the Space Wolves. When speaking formally, they refer to themselves as the Vlka Fenryka, which can be translated as "Wolves of Fenris", since Fenrir is the name of a wolf in Norse myth this makes it awesome pretentious as feth. Not if you realise that a bunch of colonists landed on a planet, bred giant dogs from their great, great, grand-children then thought "You know what's better than planet Unicorn? Planet fething Fenris") The term is more like "folk of Fenris" if Vlka is associated with the Germanic 'Volk.' However, if Vlka is translated as Slavic, then we get the "Wolves of Fenris." Hence, Dan Abnett is using linguistics to reinforce his theme that the Space Wolves are misunderstood by the rest of the Imperium - called the Space Wolves because of a mistranslated word. (So they are actually called "Space People"?) ( would make sense since ragnar refered to them as "Star warriors" in the William King novels and their Fenrisian "Kaerl" auxilaries call them "sky warriors", but the lore from these novels has been left by the wayside so take that s you will). When speaking informally, they refer to themselves as "the Rout", solidifying their purpose as the Emperor's executioners/snowflakes. Additionally, the post of "Wolf-Lord" is also a mistranslation, as they refer to their Company commanders as "Jarl". Finally, they don't call their fortress-monastery the Fang, but rather the Aett, which can be literally translated as "clan home".There's also this in-universe meme "there are no wolves on Fenris". At all. This was started by one of the primarchs remarking that they should be called xenos, because they're natives of an alien planet, and it quickly morphed into a joke. But it goes a little deeper than that, presenting weird questions about where the whole wolf thing (and the actual wolves they ride/cuddle) come from. Long story short, they are furry cousins yee haah! Seriously No, it highlights that there are no wolves on Fenris, because there are no wolves on fenris. See below....keep up dammit.

With regards to the Fenrisian wolves, the origin a little more freaky than expected: they're not wolves, but descendants of human wolf mutants. Back when Fenris was first settled, the colonists had the Canis helix added to help them adapt to the harsh environment by adding wolf genes to their genetic-makeup. Unfortunately, it worked a little too well--the canix helix caused a number of settlers to degrade into wolfmen and wolfwomen. Following this, they bred and produced a new strain of wolf into the environment. So there are no wolves on Fenris. They're just the descendants of human mutants. Which might explain why, post-Heresy, only Fenrisians can become Space Wolves (assuming that's why the successor chapters couldn't handle Russ' gene seed).

Of course, that means that the Space Wolves are wearing pelts made of human skin, but lets not dwell on that - after all it's fairly common in the Imperiums to wear human skulls... WolfyWolfWolf *BLAM*.

 Zan wrote:
Preface: This is all just my subjective read and no offense is intended to players of either army.

Thousand Sons. They could be a bit condescending in their pre-Heresy days, but they could be quite bro-tier at times. Prospero genuinely loved them. The Wolfy Wolves started out as insufferable jerks and evolved into insufferably jerkish special snowflakes. They think that a role killing off their brother Chapters is super cool, and they think nothing of doing things other Chapters have been disallowed from doing. Unlike the DA, who have a secret agenda, or the BT, who have a very unsecret agenda, the SW are just super-edgy maverick renegades 'cause wolf.

Now, post-Heresy, the Thousand Sons are a tragic tale. Automata and the Sorcerers who lead them, none of whom wanted to be traitors in the first place. Then you have Magnus, burned by his pops, burned by his bros, left with nothing but hate when he had been ready to turn himself in for his mistake. They were a scholarly and cultured Legion, many of them brilliant, introspective, and interested in the psychic potential of humanity, which they knew would grow to a point where denying it existed wasn't going to solve anything. Now, most of them are mindless armour bots and the rest are dedicated doubly to the study of the Warp and, props to Russ and friends, have now fully embraced the sorcerous, dark ritual side of psykering. They're just this chain reaction of unintended consequences and they play it out because it's the only hand they've got.

Compare that to the Wolf Wolves. They're still Vikings in Space. They're still dicks to pretty much everybody. They're still pretending that Rune Priests are using the combined powers of their Planeteer Rings rather than the Warp. Everything is named after wolves. If Leman Russ comes back, nobody is going to ask him about why he tried to kill the Thousand Sons because Horus told him to when Malcador had stipulated that the Sons and Magnus were to be dealt with alive. Wolf Wolves don't answer to anybody! They play by their own rules because, dammit, they're the best damn cop in the precinct! Sorry, my tropes got tangled there.

I don't play the Sons, Wolves, or any MEQ. I just think that the Thousand Sons are interesting, complex, and tragic. I think that the Wolf Wolves are hypocrites, snowflakes, and boring.

Azoqu wrote:
Thousand Sons. First army I got, and am so happy that they are playable now. Concerning Space Wolves:

One person in my play group can't understand how GW screwed up space vikings. It practically writes itself, you can have them flying around pillaging the unfaithful to the empire and just being general bad asses. Another in my playgroup who used to have a 5000 point Space Wolf army can't stand the full on wolf action that GW has morphed the army into.

Myself, I can't stand them because they're practically the biggest hypocrites in the galaxy and I don't understand how the Werewolves (as well as Vampires) of 40k are the "good" guys.

Though concerning rules, Space Wolves probably have it better.