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2017/07/20 00:12:24
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Title says it all. Why the heck did GW bring back hardback codexes? Is anyone actually happy about that? I had several people excited to get back in at my FLGS only to immediately quit again the moment they heard GW is insisting on $50 hardback codexes. If they were comprehensive indexes I could maybe see it but when one of the first books spoiled was Death Guard it's blatantly clear that getting rules for anything more than a few armies will cost hundreds of dollars. I have a fairly small collection of IG, Lamenters, Black Templar, admech, orks, and Nids, and that means I will still need to spend roughly THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS just on books for my army.
Have they learned nothing? Surely many other players are upset about this.
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell |
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2017/07/20 00:14:55
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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I've heard that they're doing things similarly to battletomes, with softback option available after the initial hardback release, but I can't say that with certainty. $50 for a codex is pretty lame, but I prefer hardbacks to softback any day.
Ultimately, I'll be sticking to the digital release anyway.
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Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
DR:90S++GMB++IPwh40k206#+D++A++/hWD350R+++T(S)DM+
WHFB, AoS, 40k, WM/H, Starship Troopers Miniatures, FoW
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2017/07/20 00:33:51
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Battleship Captain
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I love this hobby. I don't know any other hobby where people spend thousands of dollars collecting six armies then complain about spending a fraction of their cost on a book.
It's like buying a console then complaining you need to spend money on the games.
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2017/07/20 00:41:27
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Norn Queen
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Buy Digital and print it out.
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2017/07/20 00:41:33
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Sim-Life wrote:I love this hobby. I don't know any other hobby where people spend thousands of dollars collecting six armies then complain about spending a fraction of their cost on a book.
It's like buying a console then complaining you need to spend money on the games.
I don't get to build, paint, and customize my book.
It's also annoying when my other miniature war games have their books cost literally half what GW's do, such as bolt action and Dropzone commander.
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell |
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2017/07/20 00:42:00
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Norn Queen
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MrMoustaffa wrote:Sim-Life wrote:I love this hobby. I don't know any other hobby where people spend thousands of dollars collecting six armies then complain about spending a fraction of their cost on a book.
It's like buying a console then complaining you need to spend money on the games.
I don't get to build, paint, and customize my book.
It's also annoying when my other miniature war games have their books cost literally half what GW's do, such as bolt action and Dropzone commander.
Having a monopoly lets them get away with it.
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2017/07/20 00:43:14
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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I wish they had both. I'd buy a hardback for my main army and softbacks for my other armies.
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2017/07/20 00:52:03
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BaconCatBug wrote: MrMoustaffa wrote:
I don't get to build, paint, and customize my book.
It's also annoying when my other miniature war games have their books cost literally half what GW's do, such as bolt action and Dropzone commander.
Having a monopoly lets them get away with it.
You are responding to a post that proves that GW doesn't have a monopoly. Lots of people have left the GW ecosystem for cheaper alternatives. Other companies are producing similar products at a cheaper cost - but many people still prefer GW products regardless. It's not a monopoly that let's them get away with it. It's the popularity of their games, which I have to assume, is at least in some part due to a superior quality. Maybe they complain about the prices, but they still buy it. Therefore, the prices aren't too high. Just at the upper limit of almost too high.
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2017/07/20 00:56:57
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'd rather the cheaper price of soft back, but hard back is sooooooo much nicer to feel and read oh my god
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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2017/07/20 01:11:00
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Softback, at a reasonable price - all day long. Probably won't even bother buying the Eldar codex if the price is anywhere near $50.
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2017/07/20 01:15:14
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Rules on a Wiki and a free app. If they're a "models company" first, and Corvus Belli can do it...
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2017/07/20 01:16:03
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I don't mind spending an extra 20 bucks for the hardback, considering how hard on books I tend to be. I'd certainly want them to be an option, I only had traitor legion for less than a year and it's already a bit beat up
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2017/07/20 01:16:56
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hardback for the armies you collect, digital for any others. Seems ok to me......the books are the cheap part after all.
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2017/07/20 01:19:02
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Norn Queen
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MagicJuggler wrote:Rules on a Wiki and a free app. If they're a "models company" first, and Corvus Belli can do it...
Monopoly = Able to charge. What you gonna do, not buy the rules for your army? Automatically Appended Next Post: Sqorgar wrote: BaconCatBug wrote: MrMoustaffa wrote:
I don't get to build, paint, and customize my book.
It's also annoying when my other miniature war games have their books cost literally half what GW's do, such as bolt action and Dropzone commander.
Having a monopoly lets them get away with it.
You are responding to a post that proves that GW doesn't have a monopoly. Lots of people have left the GW ecosystem for cheaper alternatives. Other companies are producing similar products at a cheaper cost - but many people still prefer GW products regardless. It's not a monopoly that let's them get away with it. It's the popularity of their games, which I have to assume, is at least in some part due to a superior quality. Maybe they complain about the prices, but they still buy it. Therefore, the prices aren't too high. Just at the upper limit of almost too high.
Pretty sure GW still eclipse those "competitors" by orders of magnitude. X-Wing doesn't count because it's a) A totally different style of game and b) Star Wars fanboys will buy any old gak.
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2017/07/20 01:22:13
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I prefer spiralbound.
But the hard back versus softback isn't actually a significant cost for them, but it permits them to justify charging an exorbitant amount of money for a relatively small book.
I'm pretty sure they just copied the college textbook industry for this whole deal.
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2017/07/20 01:26:06
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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I'm spanish so I only have Softbacks
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2017/07/20 01:27:40
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Norn Queen
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argonak wrote:I prefer spiralbound.
But the hard back versus softback isn't actually a significant cost for them, but it permits them to justify charging an exorbitant amount of money for a relatively small book.
I'm pretty sure they just copied the college textbook industry for this whole deal.
Back in 5th I took the Assault on Black Reach rulebook, sliced the spine off, laminated each page and spiral bound it. Was good times.
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2017/07/20 03:04:46
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Been Around the Block
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Ehh, not much has changed since 3rd ed, You still don't need the codex's, so many won't buy them no matter what.
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2017/07/20 03:31:44
Subject: Re:Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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My issue is simple:
GW rarely puts out a solid, quality book which isn't rife with errors, things which need to be FAQ'ed etc. GW have stated they'll be doing Chapter Approved (likely on a yearly basis) which will probably add and adjust units. The fluff and art hasn't been very good outside of Forgeworld books for quite some time. The book, outside of the size and the quality of its paper isn't particularly worth $50. It's likely going to be out-dated shortly. It's not a good long term investment. The Space Marine codex is even more odd - because it's horribly obvious Primaris marines will be getting models/units later. There may be a break after the codex releases, but Primaris are the new marine hotness.
So your $50 book will include stats for maybe half or less of your units within a year or two. You'll have paper slips and print outs from model kits for your other units (or an additional Chapter Approved book at extra cost).
GW has indicated a desire for 8th to be a living ruleset approach - if that's the case the codices need to be cheap and disposable softback books. A book you won't be afraid to write in, jot down, stuff papers into etc. If I was more confident in GW's quality of writing, rules, or longevity of products I think I could be more enticed by a hardback rulebook. As it stands, it'll be a poor investment.
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2017/07/20 03:52:33
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Dakka Veteran
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Hardbacks, even if they cost more, since they age way better than softbacks.
I never throw away my old armybooks or codeci, I collect them, and the hardbacks look more or less new despite some of them being several years old. The softbacks on the other hand... jeez.
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2017/07/20 03:53:59
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BaconCatBug wrote:Pretty sure GW still eclipse those "competitors" by orders of magnitude. X-Wing doesn't count because it's a) A totally different style of game and b) Star Wars fanboys will buy any old gak.
I guess we should throw out Star Trek: Attack Wing, Wings of War, and Star Wars: Armada as well? Can't do Warmachine and Hordes either. Or Malifaux, Infinity, Walking Dead, Guild Ball, Kings of War, Bolt Action, Flames of War, Dark Ages, Kings of War, Song of Ice and Fire, or Rune Wars. Surely, the increased competition from the board game market with stuff like Zombicide, Imperial Assault, Shadows of Brimstone, Rum and Bones, and stuff like that isn't actual competition for the same market that GW operates in (especially if you ignore GW's board games like Talisman, Space Hulk, Assassinorum, Warhammer Quest, and so on).
So... yeah, I guess if you ignore all of GW's direct and obvious competitors, then GW is completely alone in the marketplace and has monopolistic power over gamers.
Look, the simple fact is, GW can get away with charging as much money as it does because enough people are willing to pay it. Nobody is forcing them. Nobody is being exploited. Nobody is backed into a corner. Miniature games are a luxury that is the very definition of optional, and GW has ample competition for people who want cheaper, better games with high quality miniatures.
What GW does have is a monopoly on is its own product. As in, if you want to own a GW product, you have to pay what GW charges (or 75%-85% of it through most online stores). But that's not actually a monopoly. That's just selling a product. It's the cornerstone of capitalism. (and if you have a problem with capitalism, well, there are miniature game options for that as well).
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2017/07/20 04:03:03
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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not thrilled with it tbh. You just shelled out money for indexes, now they want a crap ton more for a codex that will replace said index. I knew they were coming.....but 10 before end of year? Ridiculous. I'll just look for leaks online and keep the indexes. If one particular one blows me away, maybe I'll get it, but not holding my breath.
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2017/07/20 04:03:37
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I used to think of my books as collections, but not anymore. Give me cheaper, soft back, or ideally spiral bound books and I'll buy more of them than a crazy priced hardback book that I'll never open again in a few years anyway.
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2017/07/20 04:19:43
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Having had a few softbacks, I prefer hardback. The pages fall out less often, and it survives being stowed away in a bag for travelling better. Higher prices suck, but they'd have done the same with an all-softback release anyway.
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2017/07/20 04:29:26
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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On a Canoptek Spyder's Waiting List
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Sell me hardback faction books with gathering storm length stories, painting guide, and misc interesting things. And then a softcover unit book with points and rules for the army.
I don't mind the price, but I'd prefer something simple and physical to use when playing the game.
This would also allow them the update the physical rules book with less issues and price.
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2017/07/20 05:45:04
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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I'll have to see how much the prize-difference between the two will be. And if they release both in German. But I'd say generally its softback for me, as it's easier to transport and handle.
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2017/07/20 06:34:59
Subject: Re:Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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If they were softbacks and affordable we might have bought some of the codex. As it is we'll stick to the Indexes.
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2017/07/20 06:45:09
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Malicious Mandrake
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I prefer hardback.
I prefer lower prices.
Bit grumbly that I might get less use out of the indexes than I had thought, but not exactly surprised either.
Maybe also the time to go digital - also running out of space...
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2017/07/20 07:23:28
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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I really wanted hardbacks for 6th/7th, too bad the rules turned out be such crap :(. Won't be making that mistake with 8th, will use the indexes as long as I can, though I might garner a peek at the 8E Tyranid softbound codex (*sigh* and maybe Tau, if it has any new decent models when it comes out).
I suspect a few months after each hardbound is out, there'll be a softbound version. Sort of like how novels (used to?) come out in hardback and later softbound volumes.
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2017/07/20 07:36:26
Subject: Why on terra did they bring back hardback codexes?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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MrMoustaffa wrote:Title says it all. Why the heck did GW bring back hardback codexes? Is anyone actually happy about that?.
Yeah I am happy
Hardback FTW.
and for all you else
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