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Your ideal 40k ruleset will never come out.

GW is a horrible company.

They are actively opposing themselves to your interests.

They don't care about what you want the game to look like.

Every dollar you give to GW just furthers their ability to mock you and give you more rulesets that will anger you.

Boycott GW.

Actually, I like the vast majority of what they've done over the past 18 months. I intend to spend a lot more money on Games Workshop products in the near future.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Actually, I like the vast majority of what they've done over the past 18 months. I intend to spend a lot more money on Games Workshop products in the near future.

Do you like the conscripts + commissars combination?

Do you like their decision to release hardcover codices?

Do you like the balance between the space marine chapter tactics?

Please, be specific. What in particular do you like?

 Ginjitzu wrote:
Actually, I like the vast majority of what they've done over the past 18 months. I intend to spend a lot more money on Games Workshop products in the near future.

This. I'm annoyed by the butchering of the fluff, but the rules and miniatures are better than they've ever been.

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MaxT wrote:
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Oh, how eloquent!

Such reason!

Such rhetorical extravagance!

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I think many people are still skeptical. I only bought one new model and one index.

At its current state, 40k IS good. If they want to bloat it up, fine, whatever, i will play only at the index level.

The fluff, i don't care that much about. I enjoy reading the occasional story, but whoever wins, if anyone ever does even, i really don't care.

I think the next few months will really show if GW have improved in their rules department.

 Traditio wrote:

MaxT wrote:
feth off

Oh, how eloquent!

Such reason!

Such rhetorical extravagance!

Such...stupidity.

If that's all that you have to offer, then feth off yourself.

What exactly is eloquent or reasonable about any of this salt fueled topic?

 eskimo wrote:
I think many people are still skeptical. I only bought one new model and one index.

At its current state, 40k IS good. If they want to bloat it up, fine, whatever, i will play only at the index level.

The fluff, i don't care that much about. I enjoy reading the occasional story, but whoever wins, if anyone ever does even, i really don't care.

I think the next few months will really show if GW have improved in their rules department.

We don't need "the next few months."

We already know that conscripts and commissars exist.

We already know that Ravenguard and Salamanders chapter tactics are going to exist.

We already know that GW is going to do hardcover codices after having already charged money for indices not too long ago.

We have decades of consumer experience from GW.

They are a terrible company.

What counterargument could you possibly make?

Do you like the conscripts + commissars combination?

I don't know. I haven't played with/against it.

Do you like their decision to release hardcover codices?

No. I don't like this. I probably won't buy them.

Do you like the balance between the space marine chapter tactics?

I don't know. I am a very casual gamer admittedly.

Please, be specific. What in particular do you like?

There's really a lot of stuff I like, so I don't really want to list off everything, but I suppose I mostly like the fundamentals, ie. the model ranges are great, I love the universe & background lore, and the new core rules are almost perfect for someone trying to get to grips with the game without be frightened off by a gigantic bible of complex rules.

This is what a crank looks like.

I'm actually tempted to buy more stuff from GW just because of this thread.

Well, at least you've openly admitted the level of honesty of your poll threads this time.

Typical Traditio thread here, I see...

Ginjitzu wrote:I don't know. I haven't played with/against it.

Then you are speaking from ignorance.

I believe that the common player consensus (excepting, of course, IG players) is that commisars + conscripts = cheese.

No. I don't like this. I probably won't buy them.

The codices are literally required to play the game.

You dislike the fact that they are hardcover.

You likely won't buy them.

But you still like the company?

Explain this to me.

I don't know. I am a very casual gamer admittedly.

All of the chapter tactics are on the warhammer community webpage. Look them up.

There's really a lot of stuff I like, so I don't really want to list off everything, but I suppose I mostly like the fundamentals, ie. the model ranges are great, I love the universe & background lore, and the new core rules are almost perfect for someone trying to get to grips with the game without be frightened off by a gigantic bible of complex rules.

I mean, if you're just interested in an interesting background and universe and an interesting ruleset, then great, GW is great.

However, if you care about literally anything else, GW has a proven track record of anti-consumer failure since the moment they began to exist.


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 Peregrine wrote:
Well, at least you've openly admitted the level of honesty of your poll threads this time.

Peregrine, I know for a fact that you hate GW.

Just select one of the options. Literally either one.

You know that you agree with both of them.

If you don't like the game why the feth are you wasting your time posting here? Go to play some better game or something.

That's the spirit!

-prepares popcorn-

Fight the good fight

-prepares lawn chair-

I mean, this is already a skewed poll. I recommend you allow an option for people who disagree with "Feth GW" and make this less of a troll thread. Unless you want it closing?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I mean, this is already a skewed poll. I recommend you allow an option for people who disagree with "Feth GW" and make this less of a troll thread. Unless you want it closing?

Such an option would obviously be irrational.

Feth GW is the only reasonable option.

Then you are speaking from ignorance.

I believe that the common player consensus (excepting, of course, IG players) is that commisars + conscripts = cheese.

I won't argue with you there.

The codices are literally required to play the game.

Well I have the Index. Can I not just use that?

You dislike the fact that they are hardcover.

I dislike the added expense of hardcover.

You likely won't buy them.

Yes.

But you still like the company?

Explain this to me.

I don't particularly like the company, but I don't dislike them either. I just like the products they sell.

All of the chapter tactics are on the warhammer community webpage. Look them up.

I probably will at some point.

I mean, if you're just interested in an interesting background and universe and an interesting ruleset, then great, GW is great.

However, if you care about literally anything else, GW has a proven track record of anti-consumer failure since the moment they began to exist.

I can't add much about anti-consumer, but I think it's hardly accurate to call them a failure. Aren't they like the biggest miniature tabletop gaming company in the world?

How about we boycott this thread from now on, yeah? cheers.

GinjitzuI wrote: can't add much about anti-consumer, but I think it's hardly accurate to call them a failure. Aren't they like the biggest miniature tabletop gaming company in the world?

The sole reason they are the biggest etc. company is because they are the oldest and have the greatest name recognition.

The other side to this is that their consumer base seems almost universally to hate them.

If you have an apparent monopoly, and your consumer base hates you, your possession of a monopoly doesn't make you any less hated.

Why do you need verification if you are already so convinced of the irrevocableness of your position?
Why are you still so invested if you are boycotting GW since the first time you brought the topic up?

 Traditio wrote:
Your ideal 40k ruleset will never come out.

GW is a horrible company.

They are actively opposing themselves to your interests.

They don't care about what you want the game to look like.

Every dollar you give to GW just furthers their ability to mock you and give you more rulesets that will anger you.

Boycott GW.

Traditio doing his thang. Wandering around 40k forums to tell everyone they should feel bad about liking 40k.

The salt is real.

You used to be better at trolling.
People still take the bait but come on, it's too obvious.

The only thing I don't like is the portion of the player base dedicated to turning a game into a math problem. Most of the stuff that's currently a problem in game balance isn't until some asshat decides to make their whole army out of it. And even then it's better than 7th - I'd take the influence a single 8th Ed stormraven has over the game to a 7th Ed wraithknight.



Chapter tactics, whatever. Some space sues get worse free gak than others, boo hoo. I'm fine with codexes in general, I'll be impressed when I see the first non-chapter tactic that gives something to somebody other than the perpetually overstuffed faction.

Traditio wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
I mean, this is already a skewed poll. I recommend you allow an option for people who disagree with "Feth GW" and make this less of a troll thread. Unless you want it closing?

Such an option would obviously be irrational.

Feth GW is the only reasonable option.

Whatever you say.

fresus wrote:
You used to be better at trolling.
People still take the bait but come on, it's too obvious.

Shall I take this posting as an assertion that you will, indeed, vote "Feth GW"? Or will you vote for the opposition poll option, "Yea verily, feth GW"?

 Traditio wrote:

fresus wrote:
You used to be better at trolling.
People still take the bait but come on, it's too obvious.

Shall I take this posting as an assertion that you will, indeed, vote "Feth GW"? Or will you vote for the opposition poll option, "Yea verily, feth GW"?

Or, perhaps, neither?