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So i've been looking through the new imperium index and i have a deathwatch army. I hadn't built any in a while so i went to build some more today but wasn't sure what the deathwatch gear actually included. can deathwatch veterans use weapons such as power fists and plasma pistols as it doesn't say they cant but doesn't say they can.

I also have another question, would most other 40k players care if in a battle armies used vehicles that are not legal. For example could dark angles list an ironclad dreadnought as an ironclad even though its included in their army list.

And whilst we're on the topic of 8th edition can the new marines be included in the deathwatch (especially the new dreadnought)?

The index entry has the Wargear options saying what they can take. The Deathwatch one is just a lot more complicated because they lumped Deathwatch Veterans (basic Deathwatch peeps), Deathwatch Terminators, Deathwatch Bikers and Deathwatch Jump packs (Vanguard Veterans) into one giant mess, so read it carefully because only certain models can take certain things.

The point list in the back are to determine what your model's final costs will be. A lot of people mistake the back as giving carte blanche to letting anyone take anything; this is untrue, it's only written that way because wargear options no longer cost differently for different units (the unit's base cost instead makes up the difference).

As for "illegal", in most cases no. People would expect you to adhere to the rules, especially in battleforged armies as Open Play (where anything goes as long as your opponent agrees) is now an official thing. However the example you listed is not in fact illegal; The only drawback is that the Ironclad won't benefit from the Dark Angel's own special rules and buffs, but since it has the Faction Keyword "Imperium", you could put it in the same army as Imperial Guard and it would still be "Legal".

Finally, your last question depends on what exactly you mean. If you mean you want to include Deathwatch Units (as in their datasheet listing with all of their rules intact) into armies with Primaris Marines, that's again very legal to do, as they both share the Imperium Keyword. If you mean make Primaris Marines into Deathwatch marines and give them Deathwatch Rules, then no, there's no way you can do that in the rules. If you can work something out with your opponent beforehand, all the power to you. But in the current game there's no way to field "Primaris Deathwatch" just yet.

EDIT someone below said that you can do this with some Primaris units. I've only looked at the index so I have no idea if this is possible outside of that with codex rules or something.

great thank you, ill probably just paint up the primaris as deathwatch but not to be part of it. im still a bit confused about the whole deathwatch war gear thing. it just doesnt make sense that deathwatch veterans are unable to take plasma pistols and powerfists

They are allowed to take plasma pistols and power fists???? I don't understand your problem.

Also, some Primaris Marines can be deathwatch. Reivers, the Apothecary, and Librarian all have rules that let them be in Deathwatch armies.

ah yes sorry ive looked into it more in the index thank you