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With stormraven spam I was thinking the Stormwolf could be similarly good. But vs a Space Marines army with a land raider, my Stormwolf fell very flat after failing to wound it with 2 twin multi meltas. Just unlucky really but the land raider just parked on an objective and was super hard to damage with anything else. Its lascannons did massive damage to my army and didn't have to move because of range and no more firing arcs, and of course it's a transport, with more wounds than my Stormwolf and better save.

Is it more sensible to just take a Land Raider Crusader for the dakka and durability than my super-gun Stormwolf? They're the same points about.

The thing I like about the Stormwolf and why I prefer it for transporting my Wulfen is being able to deliver them directly next to thing I want to kill in turn 2.

What about the lascannons on the stormwolf? Did you fire those at the raider as well? Or the twin hellfrost cannon? You're shelling out over 350 points on the thing, but from your description, you only pointed half of your guns at the Raider.

So what are you looking for in a transport for your Wulfen? The stormwolf will get your squad upfield in a single turn, and has solid chances of surviving while still dishing out a pretty impressive amount of Str 8+ multi damage shots. The land raider crusader is slower, less maneuverable, is about equal in tankiness, and puts out a large amount of lower strength fire. The former is significantly better for fighting high toughness targets like land raiders, the latter is significantly worse vs heavy armor but better able to target hordes. Stormwolf is the faster delivery vehicle for embarked units hands down.

Personally, I run Stormwolves.

The stormwolf without meltas is only 279 points, it's not a point sink for what it does. With meltas it jumps to 350ish points which are too many IMHO.

The crusader however is way better in dealing with infantries, if you need an anti horde supporting tool more than some anti tank it may be a better choice than the flyer.

I usually play the stormwolf in my list, but I typically fill it up with bloodclaws. I prefer running wulfen on foot.

I think the land raider is better to use as a transport as it is much more durable.

If you move a single flyer close enough to get out and assault the next turn, most armies should be able to kill it, and then mess up the guess that were inside. This seems much less likely to happen with a land raider, and wulfen are fast enough they should be able to get a charge off out of a land raider on turn 2.

jcd386 wrote:
I think the land raider is better to use as a transport as it is much more durable.

If you move a single flyer close enough to get out and assault the next turn, most armies should be able to kill it, and then mess up the guess that were inside. This seems much less likely to happen with a land raider, and wulfen are fast enough they should be able to get a charge off out of a land raider on turn 2.

I don't think I agree with your assessment.
First off, the land raider isn't much more durable than the stormwolf. You get 1T and 2W over the flyer. The flyer, meanwhile, is immune to all of those gribbly thunder hammers unless they're strapped to a rocket. Further, your raider only gets to move 12", making your range of possible positions very predictable. The flyer can, given a corner of the board deployment, be virtually anywhere on the table at the end of its move. If the Raider can scoot forward far enough for a turn 2 assault by its embarked troopers, so too can the flyer and without telegraphing exactly where it will be beforehand. It's also notable that in order to match the -1 hit mod that the flyer forces on units firing at it, the raider can't fire its guns. I greatly prefer the flyer, then, because it can remove a threat or two with its fairly impressive array of guns while maintaining a strong defensive profile. I mean, there's a reason why stormravens were the go to powerhouse over raiders before the anti flyer FAQ.

I will, however, call my own bias: I run two stormwolves and a stormfang. The latter runs empty as just a solid gunship, the other two carry Arjac, a wolf lord, and 29 odd wolf guard armed with storm bolters and chain swords (hammers on the pack leads.) I don't run raiders right now, but used to run a triple raider list at 1500 points back in 5th. It's possible I'm overestimating the durability of a stormwolf, but between the -1, the T7, and the 14W... I'm just not so sure most lists run enough anti tank to overcome that in one turn. Or if they do, they lose to conscripts.

Well you've all given me some good thinking to do. I haven't converted my Stormwolf into the Thundertank (using Lord of Skulls tracks) yet!

The Land Raider's 2+ save is really good and gives it a moderate save vs even AP3 weapons. But I was reading the Space Wolves psychic powers and I think using my Rune Priests to give the Crusader and the Stormwolf the one where they count as in cover would be pretty good.

And using the powers where an enemy unit is -1 to hit would also help out. Rune Priests helped lead the Wulfen through the Warp from what I've read in the past so that makes fluffy sense too. And Grimnar can drop in when I get where I need to go to make the reroll their misses.

I must have misadded things, as I calculated in my unit lists that the multimelta stormwolf with 2 las and helfrost at 299.

I know the regular las land raider is 356. I think I could use the dakka for horde control, so I do like the Crusader for that. The Wulfen can splat bigger things so the Stormwolf can nail the tanks or monsters with them.

In that game I described I shot the lascannons at the enemy Stormtalon. Just really cold dice that game. But yep, shoulda shot that land raider!