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Hey guys,

I have two questions:

(1) In 7th Edition (as with - I assume - all previous Editions since I only got into this hobby during 7th), the "Current Date" was set at 999.M41. So with the recent advancement of the fluff into M42, do we have an exact date that we can call the "Current Date"?

(2) With Primaris Marines, I've read that they are generally immune to the instabilities of any given Gene-Seed, but that seems to imply (at least to me) that they are Not immune to their respective Gene-Seed's flaws. So my question is: Are they simply immune to further mutations and instability, or have all the "Bad" flaws (such as the Twin-Flaws of the Blood Angels) been cured in the case of Primaris Marines?

Cheers

1st edition (Rogue Trader) was set in 989.M41 (i.e. exactly 38,000 years in the future) and the "present" advanced in real time. 2nd edition continued this trend, but the box set was set before then - the scenarios included were set during the Second War for Armageddon in 941.M41.

When it got to 1999 (and thus 999.M41), the timeline paused for eighteen years. Now, Dark Imperium is set roughly a hundred years after the "present" of 3rd - 7th editions. 100.M42? Perhaps; there's apparently been sufficiently poor record-keeping and other disruptions over the preceding 10,000 years that it's not entirely clear what the "real" date is.

2) Belisarius Cawl has mentioned something about stabilising the gene-seed of the sixth and 9th Legions (Blood Angels and Space Wolves), and has apparently been able to re-introduce the missing organs from those gene-lines that had lost them (such as the Imperial Fists). There's a Primaris successor chapter of Space Wolves, which seems to imply that the compatibility issues of the Space Wolves geneseed have been resolved, but whether that also means the Wulfen flaw is no longer present is unclear. Perhaps it just means that the successor chapter is recruiting using transplanted Fenrisians on another planet.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Now, Dark Imperium is set roughly a hundred years after the "present" of 3rd - 7th editions. 100.M42? Perhaps; there's apparently been sufficiently poor record-keeping and other disruptions over the preceding 10,000 years that it's not entirely clear what the "real" date is.

Well the Indomitus Crusade finished in 111.M42 (at least according to the Wiki), so that could be a decent starting point?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
2) Belisarius Cawl has mentioned something about stabilising the gene-seed of the sixth and 9th Legions (Blood Angels and Space Wolves), and has apparently been able to re-introduce the missing organs from those gene-lines that had lost them (such as the Imperial Fists). There's a Primaris successor chapter of Space Wolves, which seems to imply that the compatibility issues of the Space Wolves geneseed have been resolved, but whether that also means the Wulfen flaw is no longer present is unclear. Perhaps it just means that the successor chapter is recruiting using transplanted Fenrisians on another planet.

It seems to me like the 'Stabilization' is more a first step to removing the flaws rather than a solution to the flaws, but I might be wrong.

The novel Dark Imperium has Roboute Guilliman estimate it to be anywhere between early M41 to a millenium later, i.e. early M42. That is an estimate because there are apparently different factions within the Ordo Chronos arguing over what the correct date is, and Guilliman's estimate is based on the 5 main factions (and there are apparently numerous lesser more heretical interpretations). Guilliman has been resurrected by the time of the novel for about 112 years, but it is unclear what year he actually came back. The year he came back was not necessarily 999.M41.

I think this is a fudge by GW to resolve some of the inconsistencies in their published timeline in the different Codices. It's a bit of a ham handed fudge though since it amounts to basically waving hands around and saying nobody knows WTF the actual date is.

Iracundus wrote:
The novel Dark Imperium has Roboute Guilliman estimate it to be anywhere between early M41 to a millenium later, i.e. early M42. That is an estimate because there are apparently different factions within the Ordo Chronos arguing over what the correct date is, and Guilliman's estimate is based on the 5 main factions (and there are apparently numerous lesser more heretical interpretations). Guilliman has been resurrected by the time of the novel for about 112 years, but it is unclear what year he actually came back. The year he came back was not necessarily 999.M41.

I think this is a fudge by GW to resolve some of the inconsistencies in their published timeline in the different Codices. It's a bit of a ham handed fudge though since it amounts to basically waving hands around and saying nobody knows WTF the actual date is.

In all fairness, in the "real world", we've had 30+ different calendar systems over the last "ten millennia", with most not measuring the length of a year quite the same way. If you're interested, research the change from Julian to Gregorian calendars. People used to have to list two different dates on things, depending on which system you were using.

"During the period between 1582, when the first countries adopted the Gregorian calendar, and 1923, when the last European country adopted it, it was often necessary to indicate the date of some event in both the Julian calendar and in the Gregorian calendar, for example, "10/21 February 1750/51", where the dual year accounts for some countries already beginning their numbered year on 1 January while others were still using some other date. Even before 1582, the year sometimes had to be double dated because of the different beginnings of the year in various countries. Woolley, writing in his biography of John Dee (1527–1608/9), notes that immediately after 1582 English letter writers "customarily" used "two dates" on their letters, one OS and one NS.[47]"

Not to mention things like civilisations doing things like "in the tenth year of King thingmy", and then having more than one king Thingmy.

Or the phantom time hypothesis.

Also, Warp Shenanigans.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Also, Warp Shenanigans.

I wish I could use this excuse in the real world. Kris... why were you late to work? Warp shenanigans. Oh. Cool. Report to HR for purification and then get on top of those TPS reports.

it's worth noting that codex Space Marines has taken a new approuch to dting, giving wide swaths but not down to a partiuclar year. things are just listred as "M41"