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Craftworld Eldar FAQ:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_craftworlds_en-1-1.pdf

Xenos 1 about Ynnari (A strong nerf):
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_index_xenos_1_en-1.pdf



And Infographic to know what datasheet to use: Codex vs Index:

Is at the bottom:
https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf



Lance845, your crusade can come to an end, GW has been clear about the Index vs Codex war And rejoice Eldars, Sniper Autharcs with Missile Launchers incoming

ouch

Alas poor Ynnari. I knew them, Farseer Hor'Atio...

Pretty sweeping - but not really surprising.

Sort of optimistic for regular Dark Eldar and Harlequins now. While Ynnari was there they were always going to be limited in the base stats.

By toning Ynnari down it also allows them to roll out an interesting set of releases in the future (if they go down the road).

Whelp, that makes Yanni about 100x less scary. Craftworld is where it is at now.

Where are these coming from? I don't see an article on the community page.

I read about them:
https://www.lavozdehorus.com/nueva-faq-mundos-astronave-del-index-xenos-1-controlando-los-ynnari/

Here. So I did go for them in the warhammer-community FAQ's page and pasted them here.

Can you link the Warhammer Community FAQ page I can't find it

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/

You just need to go to Warhammer-Community and go down a little, you have there buttons for "Event Calendars", "Faqs" and "Store News"

Awesome! Thank you (FYI you need to click Warhammer 40k at the top first). Thank you.

Nice. Use of index options was as I had said all along....

Well, at least Ynnari aren't quite as obviously the no brainer they used to be (even though it's done by bringing Ynnari down, rather than other pointy ears up).

Also have a feeling we'll eventually be seeing a bunch of Ynnari stratagems such as
- 1 CP, you can do a shooty soulburst again, even though you already did one this turn.
- 1 CP, you can do a single soulburst in your opponent's turn
Etc....

With the infographic, does that mean I can use index wargear for autarchs?
Does that mean Autarchs with reaper launchers are back or no?

Wonderwolf wrote:
Well, at least Ynnari aren't quite as obviously the no brainer they used to be (even though it's done by bringing Ynnari down, rather than other pointy ears up).

Also have a feeling we'll eventually be seeing a bunch of Ynnari stratagems such as
- 1 CP, you can do a shooty soulburst again, even though you already did one this turn.
- 1 CP, you can do a single soulburst in your opponent's turn
Etc....

Based on no Codex and the Triumvirate rebox with Index-reprint rules, I wouldn't bank on much if anything for them.

So the Avatar is not a named character (yay!), but he can't take relics... even though the Phoenix gem would be the only one he would be eligible for anyway and was practically made for him (and I just assembled a FW one that comes with an extra gem that I'm assuming is specifically for that purpose).


...okay. Weird as hell and entirely unnecessary. The Avatar definitely got a bit less trash with this affirmation, even if they kind of shat the bed with the relic, but I'll take what I can get for him.

Also, really glad to see the Ynnari nerf. I think they'll still be really solid, just not auto-take over Craftworlds. Out-of-sequence actions in general slow the game down a lot, and I'm glad to see them kept in line.

I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, you could per the last time they clarified this.

 daedalus wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, you could per the last time they clarified this.

Nobody was absolutely sure the last time because it was vague. Before it sounded like you had to use the index datasheet AND options (updated points from codex if applicable), this is saying you can use the most up to date datasheet (so may get an extra ability or something) with index weapons (at codex prices if applicable). like the autarch with reaper launcher; before you had to use the index datasheet so you did NOT get the "regain a spent CP on a 6" ability and it was questionable if you got the warlord traits. Now though it's clear as day that you can take the best of both, and have a character who can snipe other characters with a reaper launcher and still give you back CP on a 6.

Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Can you give a specific example of why this would be a problem? I don't think allowing a Commissar to take a Power Axe is exactly game breaking.

I love the flowchart. Like they're explaining things to the mentally impaired.

NOOOOOO!!!!!! The bastards!!!

 Kriswall wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Can you give a specific example of why this would be a problem? I don't think allowing a Commissar to take a Power Axe is exactly game breaking.

Eldar Autarch with Swooping Hawk Wings and Reaper Launcher. You can now regain a spent CP on a 6 (new codex Autarch datasheet) AND take a reaper launcher AND take a warlord trait that lets you snipe characters with said reaper launcher. Zero drawbacks for using an older weapon loadout.

Good. As someone who has found the creation and execution of Ynnari a bit slap-dash, it's nice to see them nerf'ed a bit. If GW continues to pushing the story in the Ynnari direction they need a genuine codex with a dedicated entry list and not just a mish-mash random Eldar soup w/ confusing/contradicting abilities.

Wayniac wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Can you give a specific example of why this would be a problem? I don't think allowing a Commissar to take a Power Axe is exactly game breaking.

Eldar Autarch with Swooping Hawk Wings and Reaper Launcher. You can now regain a spent CP on a 6 (new codex Autarch datasheet) AND take a reaper launcher AND take a warlord trait that lets you snipe characters with said reaper launcher. Zero drawbacks for using an older weapon loadout.

Hardly game breaking though, Illic still puts the hurt on characters more. I'm glad all characters will be getting their weapon options back.

Well they confirmed how Index vs Codex is with a bloody flowchart. Anyone want to pull some mental gymnastics to refute how it intends to work?


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Oh yeah and what are the main FAQ takeaways that are important?

 Kriswall wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Can you give a specific example of why this would be a problem? I don't think allowing a Commissar to take a Power Axe is exactly game breaking.

Yeah, it’s specifically allowing only wargear options. Not special rules, profiles, or anything else, excepting the profile of the wargear and only if it’s not already in the Codex.

 Kriswall wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

Can you give a specific example of why this would be a problem? I don't think allowing a Commissar to take a Power Axe is exactly game breaking.

I don't think it would be a problem. Personally, I just find it really awkward and bizarre. Instead of a weird flow chart to pick and choose a few specific items and voltron a bunch of rules and point costs together, maybe... not just randomly take out wargear?

This is a silly solution to a trivial problem they didn't need to create for themselves. Just keep in appropriate stuff and axe the stuff that isn't desirable for the game anymore. Don't hem and haw and create problems.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well they confirmed how Index vs Codex is with a bloody flowchart. Anyone want to pull some mental gymnastics to refute how it intends to work?


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Oh yeah and what are the main FAQ takeaways that are important?

What\s to refuse? It worked differently before, GW decided to alter their rules. It's their game so they can change the rules at will.

tneva82 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Well they confirmed how Index vs Codex is with a bloody flowchart. Anyone want to pull some mental gymnastics to refute how it intends to work?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh yeah and what are the main FAQ takeaways that are important?

What\s to refuse? It worked differently before, GW decided to alter their rules. It's their game so they can change the rules at will.

The entire argument previously was whether it did or did not work as per that chart, it's needless arguing it now.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Nice. Use of index options was as I had said all along....

And the fact they had to change it to include this flowchart shows you were wrong all along. GW have changed their mind and it's a good thing they did, but don't pretend it was this way all along.


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Wayniac wrote:
I am afraid that this clarification of index and codex will be opening pandora's box. it means you can take the old index options with the NEW codex datasheet (thereby getting any updates) with no drawbacks at all.

And? The point here is to never invalidate old models.

Let's be 100% frank here, the reason the codexes cut out all the old options is to cut off their nose to spite their face regarding the chapter house lawsuits. GW would rather screw over the customer than let other companies make money selling things GW don't sell.

However, the new GW head honchos also aren't totally moronic like they were in the Kirby days, and thus the Indexes are there for older players to use their own old models, while making sure newer players forget they exist.