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So I was reading thru my old Doom of the Eldar box game a bit ago.

Razorwings were not a Dark Eldar thing...but something that Tyranids have.

Hunter Stalkers I think were the precurssors to Guants???

Protenoid was never developed??

Fleshstealers were changed to RipperSwarms perhaps?

The Eldar Bone Singers were mentioned along with Wraithbone acting as a warp reservoir and resistant to the warp at the same time. Mention of psychomorphic skills and psychotropic crystals.

The first GW rules for Bonesingers/seers used the Isitha Kasra as a weapon and warp weapon. The psytronome shaper may have been drawn upon early Bonesinger texts. Not sure where they came up with the Psytronome of Iyanden .

any other changes such as RazorWings that GW retcon? (besides the obvious ones in the lore....but actual playable units)

2nd ed Orks used to have the Snakebite clan riding suped up boarz with all sorts of feral gubbins. They seemed to have taken a huge retcon.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the distant past, there were Astartes - but they weren't the genhanced supermen we know today. And there was even an explicitly female chapter. Primarchs were simply generals, and the Horus Heresy was a single article, and a page filler at that!

Dreadnought suits were closer to Tau Battlesuits, in that they were literal armour you could exit at the end of the conflict - but they took a toll on their pilot.

 Ratius wrote:
2nd ed Orks used to have the Snakebite clan riding suped up boarz with all sorts of feral gubbins. They seemed to have taken a huge retcon.

Actually I think that's still part of the fluff, they just tend to be the most out of focus clan as a result.

Man, I remember back when Marines were drug-addled psychopathic criminals and Sister Sin (and the rest of the spike-nipple sisters!) used to put them down for being too rambunctious.

I also remember when Leman Russ was just an important Imperial general with cybernetic lungs - when that was the case, the name of the tank made more sense. Like a Sherman or an Abrams, it was named after a general.

I also remember in old Epic 40k the Baneblade's main gun was merely a battlecannon, and it's hull-mounted demolisher cannon was on the model but had no rules... so it was just a mysterious Not-A-Weapon....

Sometimes I do miss how the universe was presented in Rogue Trader before the Realm of Chaos books added Chaos to the universe. It was much more brutal and tongue-in-cheek. It was very 2000AD (the UK comic) which gave it a very different feel to what it would become.

I like the RT era and I like the current era. I think the evolution of the Universe has been thoroughly decent. Building on what has gone before but not losing touch, I do think 40k needs to get it's sense of humour back, as well as it's satirical punch.

I may catch a bit of flak here, but I like the way they're going now because it's slightly more realistic.

Things like the more sensible-looking Primaris Marines and the new way the Imperial Guard is organized make more sense to me than it did before, even if they are departure from previously established lore (or at least lore as far as I knew it).

 admironheart wrote:
So I was reading thru my old Doom of the Eldar box game a bit ago.

Razorwings were not a Dark Eldar thing...but something that Tyranids have.

Hunter Stalkers I think were the precurssors to Guants???

Protenoid was never developed??

Fleshstealers were changed to RipperSwarms perhaps?

The Eldar Bone Singers were mentioned along with Wraithbone acting as a warp reservoir and resistant to the warp at the same time. Mention of psychomorphic skills and psychotropic crystals.

The first GW rules for Bonesingers/seers used the Isitha Kasra as a weapon and warp weapon. The psytronome shaper may have been drawn upon early Bonesinger texts. Not sure where they came up with the Psytronome of Iyanden .

any other changes such as RazorWings that GW retcon? (besides the obvious ones in the lore....but actual playable units)

The very first Tyranid Warrior was something that looked like a Termagant, but was the size of a Warrior. Later, when Advanced Space Crusade came out (introducing puffy-sleeved Space Marine Scouts and describing them as trainee Marines for the first time), the Hunter-Slayer was introduced (and what became the Carnifex was at first the Screamer-Killer), along with the Grabber-Slasher, which is a bizarre thing with a six legs, a spike pointing out from its groin and a huge hand out the top of its head. Squigs were described as being of Tyranid design, made from Ork DNA.

Also, did you know that at one point, one of the Emperor's prior aliases was ... Cliff Richard?

How Ultramarines were not a founding chapter/legion but a third founding chapter. Oh and their half eldar chief librarian. I mean genetically pure super-human one who would never be the product of Xenos scum.

mightymconeshot wrote:
How Ultramarines were not a founding chapter/legion but a third founding chapter. Oh and their half eldar chief librarian. I mean genetically pure super-human one who would never be the product of Xenos scum.

Astropath, not librarian. And he wasn’t one of them, he just worked for them

Zoats, and how they used to be the diplomats for Tyranids.