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Today we’d like to talk not only about the Adeptus Custodes codex but also about the fate of small factions in Warhammer 40K.

The codex itself is unexpectedly good. Well, at least, playable and interesting. You really can take an army of 10 models for 1000 points, and create a real challenge for your opponent. It is important to take into account the fact that the Custodes, are the best warriors of the Emperor, but they have never been soldiers. And this concept is quite well reflected by rules. The statline of all units looks like it was created by a beginner in Warhammer who wants them as cool as possible. 2+ to hit for everyone? Done. T5? Done. A whole lot of wounds and attacks? Also done. Weapons with increased rend and damage even in the most basic versions? And this is also done.

Each Custodes is a slaughter machine that will destroy almost any infantry model in a duel. But he also costs as a medium-sized tank. And this is exactly the thing which allows you to reflect the background of this army. In a game under 1000 pts, the Custodes will be a dangerous enemy. Durability, powerful weapons, stratagems, giving you deepstrike, and strengthening units even more. However, with the increase in the points limit, a quite logical problem appears - they simply will not be able to kill enemies because of their numbers. And even 2+ doesn’t protect against the buckets of dices. In addition, there are still mortal wounds in the game - and this negates any protection. Therefore, playing for the Custodes, you have to protect each warrior, and think about each move - the price of the error can be too big.

This reminds us of the situation with the Gray Knights of the 5th edition - an elite army with a variety of tools, limited in capabilities due to the high price. Approximately the same happened to be the Death Watch and Harlequins. Custodes turned out to be the most successful because their superiority in statline is provided with their background - no one will argue with the fact that they are much more tough and aggressive than the usual Space Marines. It would be impossible to do the same with the Death Watch or the Gray Knights - even with the increased skills, they still remain ordinary Space Marines, and should not be extra tough, or have substantially more attacks. Then the playability of such factions must be built up from equipment and special rules.

However, even elite equipment can’t solve the problem of the numerical superiority of the enemy. When the enemy simply has more models than your army can kill for the whole game, even successful missions will not help you win. This makes small factions an entertainment only for small-scale fun games. What, in fact, is logical and correct.

Finally, returning to the Custodes, we must mention one very important and unpleasant fact. Alliances with the shared rules for which you hated 7th edition, are back. Everybody has already heard about the Custodes banner, which distributes 5 ++ to all IMPERIUM squads in 9 inches. Despite the fact that such abilities used to be clearly limited to the keyword of their codex in the new edition. Naturally, such a decision will raise sales of the Custodes - because who does not want to share an invuln to his guardsmen screen in front of dozen tanks. At the same time, this makes us fear for the further development of rules that can be bent as you like for the sake of good sales. And for the fate of the Custodes as a separate army. In general - with all their advantages, and a rather interesting gameplay, we are unlikely to see them on tables in a form different from standard bearers in platoons and lonely shield- captains on bikes.
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That one line in your statement bothers me, 5++ to all Imperium squads in 9 inches. This I don't like one bit.

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the 5++ bonus is something people make too big a deal out of, it's clear to me that GW is deliebratly designing small codexes like custodes to be both solid alone, but also with options specificly for "soup armies"

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BrianDavion wrote:
the 5++ bonus is something people make too big a deal out of, it's clear to me that GW is deliebratly designing small codexes like custodes to be both solid alone, but also with options specificly for "soup armies"


The problem will be the way it is used in game, and the number of people who play it. But as already mentioned, it'll sure sell a lot of models...

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I don't really see the banner used THAT often in games. Units have to be wholely within the bubble which will eliminate large bubble wrap squads of cheap chaff. It will mostly be used with Space Marines to give them some guaranteed protection with their higher point cost models. I plan on using it with my Primaris Marines to give then some good anti-plasma.

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 jeff white wrote:
Otherwise, I imagine Girlyman plus Goldencaste banners with Knights and guardsmen may happen.


Sounds like a fun and fluffy 8th edition army, now that the custodes have left the Imperial Palace and joined the fight on the front lines!

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Cheaper is better in 8th. These guys seem like a dumpster fire in progress.
   
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To be honest, I think they are gonna have the same issue that deathwatch has, great at 1000 points and below, horrible at 2k. The problem that elite armies suffer from is model count and mortal wounds. Like, tsons are going to rip them appart imo.

Your turbo strong terminators are gonna get into close combat with tzaangors, who on their turn will fall back and not get to shoot or charge, what a shame, and then your terminators are gonna get motal wounds tossed at them then lit up with warp bolters forcing invul saves.

Spiky bits reported on it that theaw guys are THE glass Cannon army. If your alpha strike falls through, your gonna be screwed.

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 jeff white wrote:
Otherwise, I imagine Girlyman plus Goldencaste banners with Knights and guardsmen may happen.


Sounds like a fun and fluffy 8th edition army, now that the custodes have left the Imperial Palace and joined the fight on the front lines!

Or do you read the narrative at all?


This was my reaction to Jeff's comment. The fluff/narrative is very clear on the fact that the High Lords of Terra/Roboute Guilliman have changed the Custodians' mandate. They're now expected to leave Terra and fight the enemies of man everywhere. There have been multiple rule books and novels recently that have progressed this fluff. 8th Edition moved the story forward (100 years or so?). Things change. The Custodian Guard are no longer mysterious figures in gold armor who stick to the Imperial Palace.

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
To be honest, I think they are gonna have the same issue that deathwatch has, great at 1000 points and below, horrible at 2k. The problem that elite armies suffer from is model count and mortal wounds. Like, tsons are going to rip them appart imo.

Your turbo strong terminators are gonna get into close combat with tzaangors, who on their turn will fall back and not get to shoot or charge, what a shame, and then your terminators are gonna get motal wounds tossed at them then lit up with warp bolters forcing invul saves.

Spiky bits reported on it that theaw guys are THE glass Cannon army. If your alpha strike falls through, your gonna be screwed.


They need allies to be competitive, absolutely. A lot of folks want to bring a Guard Battalion with them. I think it might also work to bring a Supreme Command of Psykers to shut down enemy casts.
   
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 Backspacehacker wrote:
To be honest, I think they are gonna have the same issue that deathwatch has, great at 1000 points and below, horrible at 2k. The problem that elite armies suffer from is model count and mortal wounds. Like, tsons are going to rip them appart imo.

Your turbo strong terminators are gonna get into close combat with tzaangors, who on their turn will fall back and not get to shoot or charge, what a shame, and then your terminators are gonna get motal wounds tossed at them then lit up with warp bolters forcing invul saves.

Spiky bits reported on it that theaw guys are THE glass Cannon army. If your alpha strike falls through, your gonna be screwed.


They need allies to be competitive, absolutely. A lot of folks want to bring a Guard Battalion with them. I think it might also work to bring a Supreme Command of Psykers to shut down enemy casts.


agreed, I got 3 talons boxes and am getting more custodies to paint mostly. but on the table when playing I forsee them needing imperial soup. I will be rolling them with sisters of silence and a possibly some guard who will be painted up with extra gold denoting their alliance.

I mean 196 points for a primaris psycher, company commander, and 3 squads of guardsman. gives some much needed command points and bodies to hold backfield objectives. there are some problems with stand alone custodies but I really thing GW planned for them to be just part of an imperial force.

though I am looking forward to trying supreme command detachment x3 rocking 9 shield captains on bikes.

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I am on board with building a stand-alone custodes army.

Mainly because I don't get a lot of paint time so low model count is a big plus, but also because I used to be a Chaos Marines fan right up until it became Codex: Cultist Spam.

An aggressive army with low model count, but quality models that also has pretty decent fluff and fluffy rules intrigues me.
   
 
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