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Hi all, I am finally getting back in 40k. Boy those it feel good! Anyways, I was at a local story picking up some paints and I noticed Papa Nurgle has codex.

So, I was wondering if there are plans to give Slaanesh it's own book.

Those anyone know or heard anything about this?

Stagnello wrote:
Hi all, I am finally getting back in 40k. Boy those it feel good! Anyways, I was at a local story picking up some paints and I noticed Papa Nurgle has codex.

So, I was wondering if there are plans to give Slaanesh it's own book.

Those anyone know or heard anything about this?

No. The only planned codexes for chaos are CSM, Daemons, Death Guard and Thousand Sons. Emperors Children, World Eaters, all other CSM legions and any homebrew things use the CSM codex and the Daemons codex.

So, what was the nurgle codex that I saw? Is this something defferent?

Stagnello wrote:
So, what was the nurgle codex that I saw? Is this something defferent?

That would be either Death Guard (who are the Nurgle cult CSM) or an AOS book perhaps?

Or, to offer another perspective, Lady Atia, a well known rumour monger with a very, very, respectable track record, has said to expect Khorne and Slaanesh releases sometime in the next two years (which, from the date of the comment, will be somewhat less than that by now.)

Might just be models without Codex, but you can weigh that against BaconCatBug, who's just a bloke with an opinion.

What I meant is that since Emperors Children, World Eaters et. al. have rules in the CSM codex that you should not expect individual codexes for them any time soon, just as you would not expect a Black Templars or Catachan codex any time soon.

Understood, I did not mean Nurgle, I meant to say Death Guard. I hope Emperor's Children get a book.

I need to stop generalizing the Choas gods.

I noted with interest that no Slaanesh models that aren't already available in plastic (Fiends, the KOS, and (I think) the Masque) have pictures in the latest Daemon book.

Make of that what you will.

As for the remaining two Chaos Legions? It's going to happen eventually, the only question is whether it's on a timescale that makes it even worth talking about just yet.

A big Slaanesh release is as good as a certainty at this point, given that GW has had big releases for all 3 others in the past years. They are evidently on a Chaos spree. The only question is when.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
A big Slaanesh release is as good as a certainty at this point, given that GW has had big releases for all 3 others in the past years. They are evidently on a Chaos spree. The only question is when.

GW wants nothing more than to remove Slaanesh from their games wholesale. Genocide, Xenophobia, Theocratic Dictatorship is fine to market to kids, but nipples are literally Hitler.

Not sure how I feel about your nipples having mustaches and a death cult.

GW seems to love hating Slaanesh. Don't just expect them to not make a codex, expect them to not renew models, and expect them to slowly push them out of lore.

 vaklor4 wrote:
GW seems to love hating Slaanesh. Don't just expect them to not make a codex, expect them to not renew models, and expect them to slowly push them out of lore.

Nah unlikely they would remove it from 40k since they are bringing him back on AOS later this year by the looks of it.

So far we have no official confirmation of an Emperor's Children or World Eaters codex do we?

I would put money on them coming out at some point, but we can't guarantee it at this stage.

As it stands, once Codex:Thousand Sons is released we're done for Chaos books aren't we?

Whilst I would have much preferred them to do a Chaos Power Dex (each covering Daemons, Marines and any other moral follower) for each god I don't see why Emperor's Children and World Eaters should not get one.

However it would be better not to have yet more Marine dexes until after everyone else has one.

There's absolutely no reason to assume there'll be World Eaters and Emperor's Children books purely based on the existence of Death Guard and Thousand Sons books. A lot of people seem to really struggle with it, but as far GW are concerned there does not need to be symmetry across those legions. It's fine for a couple of them to have stand alone books and others not to.

It's important to recognise that GW are not working towards a final game state. They need to keep releasing models and books forever, as that is how they make money. So there is no need to get to a point where every sub faction is catered for equally. Unless, that is, they believe promoting that sub faction to full faction will be both a solid in terms of profit, and will be the best value investment of their limited resources (miniature designing, mold making, rule writing, copy writing, book and miniature production, and countless related tasks). They can only work on a finite amount of stuff at a time, and to keep the company healthy they have to continuously make value judgements about what projects are best to focus on.

With this in mind, it's entirely possible that releasing a codex for Emperor's Children never becomes high enough priority to happen. Having said that, the better the Death Guard and Thousand Sons factions are received, and the better their models sell, the bigger an indicator to GW it will be that there is a strong market for this kind of release, and so would likely increase the chances of the other main legions getting books.

Stux wrote:
There's absolutely no reason to assume there'll be World Eaters and Emperor's Children books purely based on the existence of Death Guard and Thousand Sons books. A lot of people seem to really struggle with it, but as far GW are concerned there does not need to be symmetry across those legions. It's fine for a couple of them to have stand alone books and others not to.

It's important to recognise that GW are not working towards a final game state. They need to keep releasing models and books forever, as that is how they make money. So there is no need to get to a point where every sub faction is catered for equally. Unless, that is, they believe promoting that sub faction to full faction will be both a solid in terms of profit, and will be the best value investment of their limited resources (miniature designing, mold making, rule writing, copy writing, book and miniature production, and countless related tasks). They can only work on a finite amount of stuff at a time, and to keep the company healthy they have to continuously make value judgements about what projects are best to focus on.

With this in mind, it's entirely possible that releasing a codex for Emperor's Children never becomes high enough priority to happen. Having said that, the better the Death Guard and Thousand Sons factions are received, and the better their models sell, the bigger an indicator to GW it will be that there is a strong market for this kind of release, and so would likely increase the chances of the other main legions getting books.

You ignore the little tidbit that people with near 100% track record of noting future releases have noted them coming.

Not to mention primarch will be print me money button.

Bolded part also just REINFORCES the idea they are coming. If they keep releasing models and books forever they need subjects for those...What better than untapped factions? That just is good arqument for more factions getting books. Not les.

Sort of, except give it a couple of years and it'll be time to release the Space Marine books again. A smaller faction has to look like a better prospect than rereleasing an existing one, which is actually quite a high bar.

I think Fulgrim getting a release is more likely than a Slaanesh book, and that the two needn't come hand in hand. But that's just a personal hunch.

As for the source, I can't comment as I only have people's word that they are reliable.

You have more than word. You have stats. When somebody gives you 78 rumours that pans out true, 2 partially true/vague and not one that has been proven false...

And rereleasing same books at high frequency is not going to fly forever. They need SOMETHING new once in a while. You can see that pattern from GW. Sure they keep rereleasing same books but if that was all they did there would be like ~10 codex max.

And big model releases are pretty much always part of codex. What big model so far hasn't been part of codex release?

I fully expect that at some point we will see an Emperor's Children codex. Probably when they get round to releasing a model for Fulgrim.

GW just need to decide what they are doing with Slaanesh at the moment.

tneva82 wrote:
You have more than word. You have stats. When somebody gives you 78 rumours that pans out true, 2 partially true/vague and not one that has been proven false...

And rereleasing same books at high frequency is not going to fly forever. They need SOMETHING new once in a while. You can see that pattern from GW. Sure they keep rereleasing same books but if that was all they did there would be like ~10 codex max.

And big model releases are pretty much always part of codex. What big model so far hasn't been part of codex release?

Well no... I have your word that that is accurate. Look, if you trust this source implicitly then great, you know it's coming.

Yeah, they add new factions from time to time. No particular reason (unless this source is true) that the new faction will be Emps Children. 40k has been going for 30 years and they've not felt like they've needed them yet. It is entirely conceivable that there is never space in their production schedule, when competing against other projects, for that faction to get made.

If and when they do get their own faction book, it will be based on sales data of existing lines and other market research. Not because they have a gap to fill and it's all they have left.

 BlackLobster wrote:
I fully expect that at some point we will see an Emperor's Children codex. Probably when they get round to releasing a model for Fulgrim.

GW just need to decide what they are doing with Slaanesh at the moment.

I agree with this. I doubt we'll see it until Fulgrim is released (hopefully the next daemon primarch) but since we're more likely to see a loyalist Primarch released first I wouldn't expect Emperor's children to be anytime soon. Next year is the earliest I would expect. What V+Baconcatbug said about the nipples thing is probably very close to the truth. I've heard this from several places now including some of the recent AMA's from ex GW employees. If Slaanesh gets a new book it will be with the release of a new (safe for children) Keeper of Secrets.

Besides looks which I can say both death guard and Emperors Children are amazing but what do you do, do you chose DG, for the fact that they have a Codex or EC with a little excerpt in the Chaos codex?

DG has new models aND their Primarch and EC just has some modes and a conversion pack.

I am torn here!

Also we have never had full codexes for

White Scars
Imperial Fists
Salamanders
Raven Guard

Despitet them all being First Founding and having as mucb or more character than the Snowflake Chapters. Still we have not had suffer the flanderisation of the same Chapters.

Chaos have a lot more potential for wierd Legion based stuff, Daemons Dark Mechanicus and Cultists than merely sticking the word Wolf in front of everything.

@Stux- I think you're not really taking into account how the GW design studio really works.

Model and codex released dont exist in a vacuum anymore, they are part of larger narratives that are meant to be complimentary with developments at black library. To do that things (model design, codex creation, event planning and getting that tontie in together with black library books) have to be planned out and designed years in advance.

GW is very much a company to give us something totally new and out of the blue if it suits them. The Custodes are a great example of this- yes they got thier recent big release in response to very positive sales, but the whole thing has been anchored in a narrative that saw another new book, the Death Guard codex released and on the fantasy side of things were looking at a major expansion of a faction (Daughters of Khaine) in a stylistic direction that couldn't ever have been backed up by sales data alone.

I'd say that GW, like any good company realizes that sometimes you have to be proactive and make demand for a product rather than be totally reactionary to sales data.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Also we have never had full codexes for

White Scars
Imperial Fists
Salamanders
Raven Guard

Despitet them all being First Founding and having as mucb or more character than the Snowflake Chapters. Still we have not had suffer the flanderisation of the same Chapters.

Chaos have a lot more potential for wierd Legion based stuff, Daemons Dark Mechanicus and Cultists than merely sticking the word Wolf in front of everything.

Actually we had one single Salamander list back in 3.0 Codex: Armageddon, where they and the first real Black Templar codex list showed up, but Imperial Fist is pretty vanilla, same with the others.. I think Salamanders is the only real one that would be really interesting to see outside of the main Codex.

I'm placing my bets of a Slaanesh Daemon book next year. The new CD book gave new names to all the heralds except Slaanesh. It seems like a choice to complete the book in a way that doesn't make people panic with BS conspiracy theories about Slaanesh being removed (which they still do anyway).

Isn't the biggest model an old (but bigger) version of the keeper of secrets? https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warherds-Bloodfeast-Gorgers

The AoS Daughter's of Khaine war scroll that is coming soon has a backstory that involves Slaanesh. There are other confirmed/rumors Elf/Eldar releases in the coming months. I think a good indicator of Slaanesh' status in Warhammer as a whole is how much it is tied to other factions. If Slaanesh is still being referenced in current fluff then he/she isn't being trashed canned.

As mentioned a few times in this thread already. There has been a long-rumored plastic Keeper of Secrets kit and a daemon primarch Fulgrum, kits in the wings. Supposivly culminating in the "Summer of Slaanesh".

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Isn't the biggest model an old (but bigger) version of the keeper of secrets? https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warherds-Bloodfeast-Gorgers

Aside from four arms and some bonvine elements? No.