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Flipping through the Custodes codex, the army-wide rule of Aegis of the Emperor is stated to be "common to all ADEPTUS CUSTODES units". This is not common to the Land Raider or Contemptor. The Contemptor does, however, have its own version that is the same invul save-wise so I figure that's no issue at all. The Land Raider, as mentioned by a couple people, does not have any invul save at all and does not have that rule. Would this likely be fixed in the upcoming FAQ? I don't know if anything has been officially stated about this. I know the Index version had an invul save. Just curious at this point. For the price, I would REALLY hope it's supposed to.

Hmmm, maybe the lost of the 5++ then is a missprint? A Land Raider with a 4++ save in a 100% Custodes Army would be cool. And maybe even nearly be worth the points.

 Galas wrote:
Hmmm, maybe the lost of the 5++ then is a missprint? A Land Raider with a 4++ save in a 100% Custodes Army would be cool. And maybe even nearly be worth the points.

Dunno what other 400 point vehicle comes with a 5++/4++ bs 2 and a fnp with a bunch of las cannons like weapons.

The Land Raider wouldn't get a 4++ though, it'd likely get a 5++. The +1 invul comes from "The Emperor's Chosen" ability. That one is only for Infantry and Bikers.

Yeah, then it doesn't make a great difference. With a 2+ save you have effectively a 5++. Theres not many weapons out there with -4AP or greater.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, then it doesn't make a great difference. With a 2+ save you have effectively a 5++. Theres not many weapons out there with -4AP or greater.

Just the Craftworlds codex (the only one I have) has 22 weapons with AP-4 or better, among them Bright Lance, D-Scythe, Laser Lance and Fusion Gun. I think it makes a great diffenence, especially as these are the exact type of weapon I'd choose to use against a Land Raider.

EDIT: Typo.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, then it doesn't make a great difference. With a 2+ save you have effectively a 5++. Theres not many weapons out there with -4AP or greater.

Yeah outside of like primarus hellblasters you rarely have ap 4 weapons at ranged. plasma is the new hotness and no one really runs meltas. in CC its like only the chain fists.

Edit: forgot about the eldar side of things which also brings in fusionmander tau guy too though that may get fixed.

but how many of those are you really going to run, also cover, also also arent those weapons often ST8 which may or may not change the math vs say a las cannon.

I'd like em just to FAQ the other land raider varients.

 Desubot wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Hmmm, maybe the lost of the 5++ then is a missprint? A Land Raider with a 4++ save in a 100% Custodes Army would be cool. And maybe even nearly be worth the points.

Dunno what other 400 point vehicle comes with a 5++/4++ bs 2 and a fnp with a bunch of las cannons like weapons.

Land Raider Achilles. Slightly more expensive than the normal one, the sponson weapons are multi-meltas, and it doesn't come with an FNP, but the hull weapon can fire four S8 shots and it is T8 with a 2+/4++ and 19 Wounds.

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Yeah, then it doesn't make a great difference. With a 2+ save you have effectively a 5++. Theres not many weapons out there with -4AP or greater.

Just the Craftworlds codex (the only one I have) has 22 weapons with AP-4 or better, among them Bright Lance, D-Scythe, Laser Lance and Fusion Gun. I think it's make a great diffenence, especially as these are the exact type of weapon I'd choose to use against a Land Raider.

Those Eldar, always have the best weapons out there!

Imperial weapons with -4AP are scarce. Meltas, Chainfist, Primaris Hellblasters some things like the Librarian Dreadnought ForceLance. And they are normally short range or meele.
And as Desubot said, most of the non Eldar 4-AP weapons are actually S8 instead of S9, so they don't really make a difference vs a Lasscannon.

The Dark Angels Codex has 11 weapons with -4 AP. 3 are the weapons options of Hellblasters, other is the plasma cannon of the Redemptor Dreadnought. Other is the Halberd of Caliban, a meele weapon of the Deathwing Champion, and other is Chainfists and Eviscerators. The other 4 are Melta Bombs, Multi-Melta, Meltagun and Combi-Melta.
It could be interesting to see how common are -4AP or better weapons in all codex's, but I only have the Dark Angels one.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Hmmm, maybe the lost of the 5++ then is a missprint? A Land Raider with a 4++ save in a 100% Custodes Army would be cool. And maybe even nearly be worth the points.

Dunno what other 400 point vehicle comes with a 5++/4++ bs 2 and a fnp with a bunch of las cannons like weapons.

Land Raider Achilles. Slightly more expensive than the normal one, the sponson weapons are multi-meltas, and it doesn't come with an FNP, but the hull weapon can fire four S8 shots and it is T8 with a 2+/4++ and 19 Wounds.

Doesn't that one also have reduced carry capacity?

 Desubot wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Hmmm, maybe the lost of the 5++ then is a missprint? A Land Raider with a 4++ save in a 100% Custodes Army would be cool. And maybe even nearly be worth the points.

Dunno what other 400 point vehicle comes with a 5++/4++ bs 2 and a fnp with a bunch of las cannons like weapons.

Land Raider Achilles. Slightly more expensive than the normal one, the sponson weapons are multi-meltas, and it doesn't come with an FNP, but the hull weapon can fire four S8 shots and it is T8 with a 2+/4++ and 19 Wounds.

Doesn't that one also have reduced carry capacity?

It carries 5 Custodes. Not sure if it's necessarily "reduced" as you technically have more wounds than a typical Landraider carrying standard Marines. But as far as models, yes it's technically reduced.

Oh right speaking of custodes, something a friend pointed out was that it was any custodians unit right?

meaning 5 terminators taking up the same space as 5 "normal" dudes?

You know if even half of the rumors are true about custodes then GW owes GK players a full refund.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
You know if even half of the rumors are true about custodes then GW owes GK players a full refund.

they're all true we've seen the codex now Grey Knights have some things going for them, but yes, Grey Knights need a completely re-written codex.

 Desubot wrote:


but how many of those are you really going to run, also cover, also also arent those weapons often ST8 which may or may not change the math vs say a las cannon.

Most Eldar AP-4 weapons are S8 or less, that's correct, but I do like to run them. I have ways to re-roll wound rolls (Doom, Linked Fire), but I can't make my opponent re-roll successful saves (though Jinx can make him subtract 1 from them).

I'm not exactly representative of top tier Eldar players as I play for fun, and I don't even own Dark Reapers, so take what I say with a grain of salt. It applies for my opponents though, that's totally what they're going to face.

 Desubot wrote:
Oh right speaking of custodes, something a friend pointed out was that it was any custodians unit right?

meaning 5 terminators taking up the same space as 5 "normal" dudes?

5 Adeptus Custodes Infantry. The normal dudes still take up the space of 5 Terminators (given that Land Raiders normally transport 10 Marines).

 Asmodai wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Oh right speaking of custodes, something a friend pointed out was that it was any custodians unit right?

meaning 5 terminators taking up the same space as 5 "normal" dudes?

5 Adeptus Custodes Infantry. The normal dudes still take up the space of 5 Terminators (given that Land Raiders normally transport 10 Marines).

Oh so the landraider has the same section as other landraiders that say terminators and jump pack type things take up multiple slots then? i guess my friend misread it then o well.

 Desubot wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Oh right speaking of custodes, something a friend pointed out was that it was any custodians unit right?

meaning 5 terminators taking up the same space as 5 "normal" dudes?

5 Adeptus Custodes Infantry. The normal dudes still take up the space of 5 Terminators (given that Land Raiders normally transport 10 Marines).

Oh so the landraider has the same section as other landraiders that say terminators and jump pack type things take up multiple slots then? i guess my friend misread it then o well.

Since all Custodes take up the same space (as Terminators), it can save a few words and just say 5.

There aren't any Adeptus Custodes Jump Troops currently - they might have to errata it if they add them in the future.

I don't see any jump troops in any near future for them. They don't have any in FW as far as I know. There doesn't look to be any new additions to the 40k line in any near future either. The 30k model line is the closest you can realistically hope for at least for a while.

 Desubot wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Oh right speaking of custodes, something a friend pointed out was that it was any custodians unit right?

meaning 5 terminators taking up the same space as 5 "normal" dudes?

5 Adeptus Custodes Infantry. The normal dudes still take up the space of 5 Terminators (given that Land Raiders normally transport 10 Marines).

Oh so the landraider has the same section as other landraiders that say terminators and jump pack type things take up multiple slots then? i guess my friend misread it then o well.

No, it says it can carry 5 Custodes Infantry models. So Terminators included.

Heh i guess they are same sized enough. it seems like the first time they just let you take ether or like that. i guess it makes sense in that 2 terminators would be pointless out of a land raider or 10 "normal" dudes would maybe be strong.

I honestly think GW just threw land raiders in the talons box because they were not selling in 7th and they wanted a higher retail on the talons of the emperor box. some marketing meeting where they knew they had a ton of land raiders not selling so threw tit in to add another $40ish to the cost/value equation. The model does not really fit the custodies, I with they had just gone with transports like their 30k equivalent. I bought 3 talons boxes so don't lack the models, only the desire to field them, but may buy some 30k transports for counts as land raiders and magnetize weapons options. hopefully we will get 40k rules for 30k models soon though.

10 in a LR would be ridiculous, I had 5 in a LR and it drew most of the fire away from the Super Heavy on my team in a game. People don't want the Custodes getting in their face fast.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I honestly think GW just threw land raiders in the talons box because they were not selling in 7th and they wanted a higher retail on the talons of the emperor box. some marketing meeting where they knew they had a ton of land raiders not selling so threw tit in to add another $40ish to the cost/value equation. The model does not really fit the custodies, I with they had just gone with transports like their 30k equivalent. I bought 3 talons boxes so don't lack the models, only the desire to field them, but may buy some 30k transports for counts as land raiders and magnetize weapons options. hopefully we will get 40k rules for 30k models soon though.

Land raiders being used by the Custodies has a fair bit of history to it. IIRC some of the inital visions of heresy art showed custodes land raiders

Also if I recall correctly, Land Raider variants came well after the initial Land Raider. Custodes are generally using the "older" stuff that's been gathering dust for all those years.

You will never see an LR in a competitive list. Custodes have lots of means to move around where they need to be. Every unit is a lot of points so the transport is really superfluous.

Does Custodes stop models from being removed on a roll of 1 when it is destroyed?

I mean losing that high point Land Raider is one thin but then using a model or 2 from it being destroyed is even worst.

 Desubot wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Hmmm, maybe the lost of the 5++ then is a missprint? A Land Raider with a 4++ save in a 100% Custodes Army would be cool. And maybe even nearly be worth the points.

Dunno what other 400 point vehicle comes with a 5++/4++ bs 2 and a fnp with a bunch of las cannons like weapons.

Land Raider Achilles. Slightly more expensive than the normal one, the sponson weapons are multi-meltas, and it doesn't come with an FNP, but the hull weapon can fire four S8 shots and it is T8 with a 2+/4++ and 19 Wounds.

Doesn't that one also have reduced carry capacity?

Six models (Terminators/Jump count as two, Centurions count as three like in a normal LR). That said it does have a Thunderfire cannon with a direct-fire anti-armour mode on the front in place of the twin heavy bolter, so it's also got rather more firepower than the ordinary Phobos pattern.

 Primark G wrote:
You will never see an LR in a competitive list. Custodes have lots of means to move around where they need to be. Every unit is a lot of points so the transport is really superfluous.

in any army you will, competativly, never see anything but the same 2 or 3 units spammed. anyone asking for stuff to fill the army out typically isn't thinking "MOAR POWAH"