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Geez never mind, I'll wait for the STL. 2 Hermes for the price of a Russ is ridiculous.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Geez never mind, I'll wait for the STL. 2 Hermes for the price of a Russ is ridiculous.

36 pts ... For the price of a leman?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Geez never mind, I'll wait for the STL. 2 Hermes for the price of a Russ is ridiculous.

36 pts ... For the price of a leman?

I'm not sure what price people expected?

A standard Sentinel is £27.50, why is £20 for a single Hermes "ridiculous"?

And Cawdor sentinels are £30 for 4, so whatever, man.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
And Cawdor sentinels are £30 for 4, so whatever, man.

Is that what you thought a single Hermes would cost? The equivalent of £7.50?

It's a variation of a Guard Sentinel, so it's going to be priced as such.

Because it seems to me that you really enjoy saying some variation of "printer goes brrr", so much so that you actively look for reasons to say it.

In 2007, a sentinel cost £15, which would apparently be £24.40 today after inflation. £27.50 is above inflation but by less than I thought (plus two new kits in the interim). £20 is in the expected ballpark.

Sentinels have always been a pricey option given the pts per model.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
And Cawdor sentinels are £30 for 4, so whatever, man.

I'm not happy about the ducklings' price either, but the Cawdor Ridge Walkers are on the same size base(60x35mm oval) as a Skitarii with an arquebus or an Atalan Jackal. They're not that big.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Because it seems to me that you really enjoy saying some variation of "printer goes brrr", so much so that you actively look for reasons to say it.

And what are you looking for? Reasons to stan for a corporation? If my opinions upset you, you can put me on ignore like an adult.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Because it seems to me that you really enjoy saying some variation of "printer goes brrr", so much so that you actively look for reasons to say it.

And what are you looking for? Reasons to stan for a corporation? If my opinions upset you, you can put me on ignore like an adult.

There's very few people who I feel the need to put on ignore, and I certainly don't feel the need to boast about the ones that I do

Regardless, where is the fun in ignoring people?

Imagine how boring a forum would be if everybody had the same opinion

 Kanluwen wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
And Cawdor sentinels are £30 for 4, so whatever, man.

I'm not happy about the ducklings' price either, but the Cawdor Ridge Walkers are on the same size base(60x35mm oval) as a Skitarii with an arquebus or an Atalan Jackal. They're not that big.

Sure, and sure, pricing takes into account a lot of things, but between Necromunda and Legions Imperialis we have a lot of consistent precedent for two copies of one 8x4" specialist games sprue costing £30, which is almost certainly the makeup of a Hermes box, and compounded with them being low points value, I can't help but consider the price to be a bit inflated.

Whilst I don't agree with the pricing on a point for price basis, GW can't sell the Hermes at too cheap a price point as they easily proxy for normal sentinels. It would just make it a no brainer if they were that much cheaper than the standard sentinel.

Oh well.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Whilst I don't agree with the pricing on a point for price basis, GW can't sell the Hermes at too cheap a price point as they easily proxy for normal sentinels. It would just make it a no brainer if they were that much cheaper than the standard sentinel.

Oh well.

Yeah, pricing on a point for price basis is not something that can ever happen in the real world, unless GW want to lose money on every low points model that they sell.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Geez never mind, I'll wait for the STL. 2 Hermes for the price of a Russ is ridiculous.

36 pts ... For the price of a leman?

I'm not sure what price people expected?

A standard Sentinel is £27.50, why is £20 for a single Hermes "ridiculous"?

Because realistically the models margine is so far out in insanity that GW could've gone and did the community a solid one and make the price better, especially for such an expensive army.
Alas,SA players can console themselve with the fact that an earthshaker is worth 200 pts to fill a list

I keep seeing complaints over the cost of the sentinel when I feel the need to remind people that the HH spent over a decade being run off £30 packs of 5 resin marines with no weapons. This is very obviously a game aimed at and for whales.

Dudeface wrote:
I keep seeing complaints over the cost of the sentinel when I feel the need to remind people that the HH spent over a decade being run off £30 packs of 5 resin marines with no weapons. This is very obviously a game aimed at and for whales.

And singlehandedly fueling the 3d printer producer industry

Dudeface wrote:
I keep seeing complaints over the cost of the sentinel when I feel the need to remind people that the HH spent over a decade being run off £30 packs of 5 resin marines with no weapons. This is very obviously a game aimed at and for whales.

Certainly, but I do my... whaling... wait, no, whalers whale, whales get whaled... anyway I love throwing big money at good deals, you price gouge me you get nothing, you give me a deal and I will buy more than I could ever need. They've priced a unit of chaff (topping off at 160 pts) at more than what the Mk3 Battle Group cost. Since both items are undoubtedly underprinted and will sell out, it works out for GW, but if stores had unlimited quantities of both side by side, I wonder which one would generate more profit, even accounting for the Battle Group needing like a 6x investment in sculpting and tooling.

My theory is the price is there to help game balance. Seeing as thise Sentinels can be spammed A LOT, and can be kitted to pack a modest punch, GW have priced them to save the gaming community.

We should thank them.

These should have been priced like the command squad, not like a Leman Russ. Alternatively, could go at the infantry tercio price point but include 6.

Perhaps we will see an Xmas discount box that includes these at a better price.

I mean, surely ork Killakans should be the measuring stick? Lots of options, detailed kit, cheap pointswise and meant to be spammed. 3 for 37.50 pounds. Personally that's what i'd hope for.

cody.d. wrote:
I mean, surely ork Killakans should be the measuring stick? Lots of options, detailed kit, cheap pointswise and meant to be spammed. 3 for 37.50 pounds. Personally that's what i'd hope for.

Agreed. But the sprue is probably either paired or 2 copies of a single sprue, in which case a 3 pack would have been better.

After this, Solar Auxilia have everything officially released that was announced. Then there is the rotor cannon/ flamer sprue for the veletaris, ogryn unit, stormhammer and baneblade/shadowsword? Right, Aurox/Carnodon, Rapier, and Arvus. Quite a bit for a second solar aux wave, unless once Mechanicum gets a bit starter release GW starts doing releases with 1-2 kits each for astartes, solar aux and mechanicum

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


After this, Solar Auxilia have everything officially released that was announced. Then there is the rotor cannon/ flamer sprue for the veletaris, ogryn unit, stormhammer and baneblade/shadowsword? Right, Aurox/Carnodon, Rapier, and Arvus. Quite a bit for a second solar aux wave, unless once Mechanicum gets a bit starter release GW starts doing releases with 1-2 kits each for astartes, solar aux and mechanicum

Also the Malcador Infernus and the Valdor for the second wave.

cody.d. wrote:
I mean, surely ork Killakans should be the measuring stick? Lots of options, detailed kit, cheap pointswise and meant to be spammed. 3 for 37.50 pounds. Personally that's what i'd hope for.

I don't think that it's fair to compare the two, IMHO.

40k is a much more popular game than 30k, and Orks have always been very popular, so it feels safe to assume that GW will sell more copies of an Ork kit than a Solar Auxilia kit. GW will have obviously taken this kind of thinking into account when pricing.

I agree with Wes that the Hermes kit will most likely be a single sprue, if it is a double sprue kit then it will be the one sprue duplicated.

Of course I'd like GW models to be cheaper, in an ideal world they would be, but this is not an ideal world.

Hermes rules https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/tTYVSKyClyP7KVFE.pdf

Shame they won't let Militia take em

When selecting units for an Auxilia Veletaris Tercio (see Liber Imperium), one Solar Auxilia Hermes Veletaris Squadron unit can be included in place of one Solar Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section unit.

Does this mean they get Line in a Solar Pattern Cohort?

beast_gts wrote:

When selecting units for an Auxilia Veletaris Tercio (see Liber Imperium), one Solar Auxilia Hermes Veletaris Squadron unit can be included in place of one Solar Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section unit.

Does this mean they get Line in a Solar Pattern Cohort?

I don't see why not. It's a unit in a Veletaris Tercio.

RAW they can also take an Arvus transport, but ho hum.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

When selecting units for an Auxilia Veletaris Tercio (see Liber Imperium), one Solar Auxilia Hermes Veletaris Squadron unit can be included in place of one Solar Auxilia Veletaris Storm Section unit.

Does this mean they get Line in a Solar Pattern Cohort?

I don't see why not. It's a unit in a Veletaris Tercio.

RAW they can also take an Arvus transport, but ho hum.

Given a pair of the classic Sentinels can fit in a Valkyrie if the exhausts and roll cage are tucked down, I think the Hermes fitting in an Arvus is entirely reasonable. They are diddy little walkers.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

cody.d. wrote:
I mean, surely ork Killakans should be the measuring stick? Lots of options, detailed kit, cheap pointswise and meant to be spammed. 3 for 37.50 pounds. Personally that's what i'd hope for.

I don't think that it's fair to compare the two, IMHO.

40k is a much more popular game than 30k, and Orks have always been very popular, so it feels safe to assume that GW will sell more copies of an Ork kit than a Solar Auxilia kit. GW will have obviously taken this kind of thinking into account when pricing.

I agree with Wes that the Hermes kit will most likely be a single sprue, if it is a double sprue kit then it will be the one sprue duplicated.

Of course I'd like GW models to be cheaper, in an ideal world they would be, but this is not an ideal world.

I don’t think that logic holds true when many HH plastics are priced like 20 year old 40K minis (rhino, vindicator and so on).

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

cody.d. wrote:
I mean, surely ork Killakans should be the measuring stick? Lots of options, detailed kit, cheap pointswise and meant to be spammed. 3 for 37.50 pounds. Personally that's what i'd hope for.

I don't think that it's fair to compare the two, IMHO.

40k is a much more popular game than 30k, and Orks have always been very popular, so it feels safe to assume that GW will sell more copies of an Ork kit than a Solar Auxilia kit. GW will have obviously taken this kind of thinking into account when pricing.

I agree with Wes that the Hermes kit will most likely be a single sprue, if it is a double sprue kit then it will be the one sprue duplicated.

Of course I'd like GW models to be cheaper, in an ideal world they would be, but this is not an ideal world.

I don’t think that logic holds true when many HH plastics are priced like 20 year old 40K minis (rhino, vindicator and so on).

GW know that they will sell many more of the Legion Space Marine kits than their Solar Auxilia equivalent, which gives them more wriggle room on the price of the SM kits.

So yes, the logic does hold true.

"This faction won't be popular so let's make it more expensive" is a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy tho innit