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Now that we get more 30k stuff, (which is great) but it always bothers me that loyalists get more stuff, surely we'd have more 30k stuff being that we us most armour and weapons of that era and what further annoys me is that loyalists get so much access to new kits, like land raider variants. Its not just a rule thing though I love the lore, so I love buying all the old tech just for continuity, for instance I love fielding contemptor dreads for my WE's, but is there a lore reason why loyalists get more? The only thing I can think of is their ability to repair and maintain all the old tech but then again, the eye of terror doesn't seem to follow the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Nope, just a fierce case of favoritism

Well, with 30K half the stuff is going to be loyalist. And then Chaos basically shares most of the loyalist stuff in common. I'd be interested to see a breakdown of real kits and upgrade sprues.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that we get more 30k stuff, (which is great) but it always bothers me that loyalists get more stuff, surely we'd have more 30k stuff being that we us most armour and weapons of that era and what further annoys me is that loyalists get so much access to new kits, like land raider variants. Its not just a rule thing though I love the lore, so I love buying all the old tech just for continuity, for instance I love fielding contemptor dreads for my WE's, but is there a lore reason why loyalists get more? The only thing I can think of is their ability to repair and maintain all the old tech but then again, the eye of terror doesn't seem to follow the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Not...really? The vast majority of the Forge World stuff that loyalists get and Chaos doesn't is post-Heresy tech (Land Raider Helios/Prometheus, for instance), and Chaos has a lot of its own post-Heresy tech (Daemon Engines, Hell Blades). Of things that were around during the Heresy Chaos has Dreadclaws and Kharybdises that the loyalists have forgotten how to make and the loyalists have Land Speeders and Sicaran variants that Chaos has forgotten how to make, but everything else from Forge World that was around then is still available to both. Except for Tarantulas, which the Dark Mechanicum seems to have forgotten how to build.

And Chaos is actually better at using them, given that a lot of the loyalist stuff has the 'Relic' rule (you can't have more Relic units than non-Relic units of a given battlefield role in a detachment unless it's a single Lord of War).

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that we get more 30k stuff, (which is great) but it always bothers me that loyalists get more stuff, surely we'd have more 30k stuff being that we us most armour and weapons of that era and what further annoys me is that loyalists get so much access to new kits, like land raider variants. Its not just a rule thing though I love the lore, so I love buying all the old tech just for continuity, for instance I love fielding contemptor dreads for my WE's, but is there a lore reason why loyalists get more? The only thing I can think of is their ability to repair and maintain all the old tech but then again, the eye of terror doesn't seem to follow the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Not...really? The vast majority of the Forge World stuff that loyalists get and Chaos doesn't is post-Heresy tech (Land Raider Helios/Prometheus, for instance), and Chaos has a lot of its own post-Heresy tech (Daemon Engines, Hell Blades). Of things that were around during the Heresy Chaos has Dreadclaws and Kharybdises that the loyalists have forgotten how to make and the loyalists have Land Speeders and Sicaran variants that Chaos has forgotten how to make, but everything else from Forge World that was around then is still available to both. Except for Tarantulas, which the Dark Mechanicum seems to have forgotten how to build.

And Chaos is actually better at using them, given that a lot of the loyalist stuff has the 'Relic' rule (you can't have more Relic units than non-Relic units of a given battlefield role in a detachment unless it's a single Lord of War).

Minor nitpick but Dreadclaws / Khardybdi wern't forgotten; their semi-sentient machine spirit went erm.... kill crazy, killing crew working around them , and well chapters had to jetison their stock of drop pods or risk the ships getting melta-filleted from the inside out Chaoooooooos well can handle and "enthusiastic workforce" better.

I would love CSM getting 30k Scimitar Jetbikes, and while we are at it SM should get them also.
Deep striking in Multi-Meltas oooh-la-la.

FW lineup and 30k in general is like a treasure trove for new 40k CSM units.
Demonic Tarantula sentry guns anyone? These would be more akin to actual tarantulas and running around with Heavy Bolter/Multi-Melta bolted on top.
Instead we have Dark Mech building dinobots.

As an addition, the fall of part of Mechanicum during Horus Heresy was justified with promises of giving Mech freedom to experiment with Machine Intelligence and other stuff that was deemed heresy already during 30k times. Instead of all this Dark Mech went full into this:
1) Get a daemon
2) Strap on armor plates and weapons
3) DINOBOT
Alternatively they just stick daemon spirit into pre-existing military tech. I don't know about you but to me all this is very childlike, something a 5 to 10-year-olds do with legos than what actual Dark Mechanicum would do. Where is the unhindered experimentation into Machine Intelligence?

I just build my own versions of the Forgeworld "Hell Forged" stuff...don't even use the FW models. Chaos, from a "rules" standpoint has plenty to choose from, though they have very few genuine Chaos models.

I do like the selection of chaos stuff at FW. My only gripe is with the the Xiphon. It needs a chaos upgrade kit or something. It just looks too plain.

I had to double check that this wasn't a necro thread. In 8th edition Chaos got access to almost everything FW makes for imperium. It's almost double the models we had access to in 7th.

What is more, is that chaos doesn't have the relic rule. Imperial FW units have an additional tax to bring, which can be a huge pain in the butt. Chaos doesn't have this.
What is more, is that chaos gets plenty of chaos only models that are pretty dang good.

Bottom line, stop complaining that you don't get every toy in the store. Life is unfair.

Resin is too soft for Chaos. Chaos needs HIPS to make parts spikey enough to occasionally draw blood while handling.

Back in 2nd edition the lore was that Heretic Marines were 10,000 years behind on technological advancement, which is why they don't get all the same toys that Space Marines do. Basically, when they broke away from the Imperium they broke away from Mars and all the technological advancement that entails.

Used to be that Huron Blackheart's special ability was that he allowed you to take modern Space Marine vehicles and weaponry, that fell by the wayside somewhere along the way.

However, I will say this a bit more nicely than the poster above me, we have plenty of FW stuff, just dig around a bit, you'll find what you need.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that we get more 30k stuff, (which is great) but it always bothers me that loyalists get more stuff, surely we'd have more 30k stuff being that we us most armour and weapons of that era and what further annoys me is that loyalists get so much access to new kits, like land raider variants. Its not just a rule thing though I love the lore, so I love buying all the old tech just for continuity, for instance I love fielding contemptor dreads for my WE's, but is there a lore reason why loyalists get more? The only thing I can think of is their ability to repair and maintain all the old tech but then again, the eye of terror doesn't seem to follow the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Not...really? The vast majority of the Forge World stuff that loyalists get and Chaos doesn't is post-Heresy tech (Land Raider Helios/Prometheus, for instance), and Chaos has a lot of its own post-Heresy tech (Daemon Engines, Hell Blades). Of things that were around during the Heresy Chaos has Dreadclaws and Kharybdises that the loyalists have forgotten how to make and the loyalists have Land Speeders and Sicaran variants that Chaos has forgotten how to make, but everything else from Forge World that was around then is still available to both. Except for Tarantulas, which the Dark Mechanicum seems to have forgotten how to build.

And Chaos is actually better at using them, given that a lot of the loyalist stuff has the 'Relic' rule (you can't have more Relic units than non-Relic units of a given battlefield role in a detachment unless it's a single Lord of War).

Suppose you are right here.


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 gwarsh41 wrote:
I had to double check that this wasn't a necro thread. In 8th edition Chaos got access to almost everything FW makes for imperium. It's almost double the models we had access to in 7th.

What is more, is that chaos doesn't have the relic rule. Imperial FW units have an additional tax to bring, which can be a huge pain in the butt. Chaos doesn't have this.
What is more, is that chaos gets plenty of chaos only models that are pretty dang good.

Bottom line, stop complaining that you don't get every toy in the store. Life is unfair.

I'll complain all I want and I'll do it twice just to annoy you.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Now that we get more 30k stuff, (which is great) but it always bothers me that loyalists get more stuff, surely we'd have more 30k stuff being that we us most armour and weapons of that era and what further annoys me is that loyalists get so much access to new kits, like land raider variants. Its not just a rule thing though I love the lore, so I love buying all the old tech just for continuity, for instance I love fielding contemptor dreads for my WE's, but is there a lore reason why loyalists get more? The only thing I can think of is their ability to repair and maintain all the old tech but then again, the eye of terror doesn't seem to follow the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Not...really? The vast majority of the Forge World stuff that loyalists get and Chaos doesn't is post-Heresy tech (Land Raider Helios/Prometheus, for instance), and Chaos has a lot of its own post-Heresy tech (Daemon Engines, Hell Blades). Of things that were around during the Heresy Chaos has Dreadclaws and Kharybdises that the loyalists have forgotten how to make and the loyalists have Land Speeders and Sicaran variants that Chaos has forgotten how to make, but everything else from Forge World that was around then is still available to both. Except for Tarantulas, which the Dark Mechanicum seems to have forgotten how to build.

And Chaos is actually better at using them, given that a lot of the loyalist stuff has the 'Relic' rule (you can't have more Relic units than non-Relic units of a given battlefield role in a detachment unless it's a single Lord of War).

Suppose you are right here.


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 gwarsh41 wrote:
I had to double check that this wasn't a necro thread. In 8th edition Chaos got access to almost everything FW makes for imperium. It's almost double the models we had access to in 7th.

What is more, is that chaos doesn't have the relic rule. Imperial FW units have an additional tax to bring, which can be a huge pain in the butt. Chaos doesn't have this.
What is more, is that chaos gets plenty of chaos only models that are pretty dang good.

Bottom line, stop complaining that you don't get every toy in the store. Life is unfair.

I'll complain all I want and I'll do it twice just to annoy you.

Cutting your nose off to spite your face is not, generally, a good idea.

But to mirror what others have said above, ill say this is a pretty uninformed post. Which in and of itself is fine. That is what forums exist for. Chaos gets tons of forgeworld options and we as a faction have the second most number of choices in toys. Imperial factions will get more toys because they sell more. As a chaos player you better get used to that because it is how it has always been and always will be. I would be more upset at GW proper for not releasing base models for chaos like drop pods or any actual flyers (heldrake has a fly keyword but is not a true flier), Infact I would say no other faction gains as much as chaos does by using forgeworld. We are in a very good place all things considered. As a khorne player (if your avatar is to be read as such) you have even more goodies than other chaos factions. Both the Greater Brass Scorpion and the Bloodslaughterer are excellent models and really pack a punch on the table. Kytan not withstanding (it sucks).