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Looking forward to it and I am kind of hoping that the new witches from aos can get put in to it because they look awesome.

To be fair I am just looking for any new units for them and some fun rules.

What is everyone me else looking forward to from the dark eldar book?

Some serious cool stuff on beasts would be neat.

I wouldn't mind seeing cool stratagems and buffs for the Talos especially.

Something better than just turning it into Codex: Dark Lance

Well it's already Index: dark lance. Currently drukhari have a chance of winning a competitive game only using a list with massed lances and blasters facing an armored list, maybe SM.

We need to deal with hordes mostly. I think the codex should buff wych cult and coven units, which are the less effective right now. Basic kabalites, trueborn, transports and all the sources of anti tank are basically ok and don't even need any buff.

We also have the worst HQs in the entire 40k universe, I'd like them to actually do something, even an effective buffing aura will be welcome

I certainly am! The 3rd edition DE codex is my favourite ever!

Hopefully there is a lot of detail about what has happened in Commorragh since the events of fracture, and will give some more detail about the various sub-realms that the Kabals have evacuated to.
Also it would be nice to see what the Dark Eldar view of the other races allowing Chaos to infest realspace so much.

Rules wise I hope they make everything viable but not overpowered and don't do anything to punish armies that mix Kabalite, Witchcult and Heamonculus units.




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We also have the worst HQs in the entire 40k universe, I'd like them to actually do something, even an effective buffing aura will be welcome.

Eww no, I don't like buffing auras for the Dark Eldar. Why would they help each other?

Make Archons strong individual fighters that debuff surrounding units as they are jealous of others success, now that would be cool :-)

Yeah, I like the idea of Dark eldar characters having debuffs instead, you could play on the fact they go out to scare the living "£$% out of everybody.
I shall be most upset if we dont get our hellraiser box of psyker eating back too.

Lol it's easy to imagine why DE would buff their kin. You fight super hard if there's a risk of getting shot in the back the longer you take to dispatch your foe.

This is particularly true of Homunculi and Wracks, they could literally drug-force their pets to work harder.

Anti infantry. We suck increadibly hard at anti-infantry in a very infantry heavy meta.

Indeed I am looking forward to it.

Hopefully Covens get some love. Even just plastic Grotesques would be a start.

Equally you are not going to fight to the best of your ability if you are keeping one eye on the bloke next to you! I'll give you the drugs thing though.
I think it would be an interesting foil to the existing bubblehammer mechanics if Dark Eldar fought worse when they were close together.

It would mean you would have to use their superior movement to keep them afar part and hitting the enemy from all angles to get the best out of them encouraging a play style that reflects the background.

Our HQ slot is in critical condition and needs serious work for the army to be usable. I'm really quite worried about this codex, because a low-effort codex would so easily slam the final nails into the coffin of the faction (minor points changes, make the <keywords> in the dark eldar faction work identically to everyone else's <keywords>, slap some stratagems in there and call it a day).

All Battalions would be forced to feature 3 identical troop units and 2 identical HQs (who would be hard-limited to crappy mono-pose builds and stuck on foot), any variation would lose you your subfaction bonuses.

Basically, if GW continues to do what it has done with Dark Eldar for three editions, i.e. phone it in, we're hosed. If we get the same level of attention and effort that was given to other factions, we've got our best codex ever.

I'm pretty much waiting for the first rumors with bated breath.

I'm pretty confident that, like the Daemon Codex, we're not going to be seeing much synergy between the various sub-factions that we have.

I don't think that's an automatic dealbreaker, though, depending on how the book is as a whole. I'm definitely looking forward to it still.

 Burnage wrote:
I'm pretty confident that, like the Daemon Codex, we're not going to be seeing much synergy between the various sub-factions that we have.

I don't think that's an automatic dealbreaker, though, depending on how the book is as a whole. I'm definitely looking forward to it still.

I don't think that will be the case, personally. I think there will be army wide "Drukari" affecting rules and lesser 'Wych/Haemonculi" rules.

I personally am hoping you guys get some love for HQs. Hellions and Jetbikers, at minimum, need to be usable as HQs.

melon-fething Asdrubel Vect.

Give him a new mode and some decent rules, GW, and I might just give you the money for a whole new army.

Of course, that's also under the stipulation that the rest of the army isn't hot garbage either. Index Dark Eldar are painfully bland and uninteresting in spite of their fluff.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Burnage wrote:
I'm pretty confident that, like the Daemon Codex, we're not going to be seeing much synergy between the various sub-factions that we have.

I don't think that's an automatic dealbreaker, though, depending on how the book is as a whole. I'm definitely looking forward to it still.

I don't think that will be the case, personally. I think there will be army wide "Drukari" affecting rules and lesser 'Wych/Haemonculi" rules.

I personally am hoping you guys get some love for HQs. Hellions and Jetbikers, at minimum, need to be usable as HQs.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you gave me a plastic monopose archon and a reaver jetbike kit, and you told me I had to kitbash an Archon on bike, and then you gave another guy any Finecast character and told them they had to assemble it exactly as intended, I'd be able to give you three great looking plastic biker archons before the other guy could finish shaving the mold lines, scooping out the mold release, greenstuffing the massive bubbles and voids, hair dryering the noodle arms and re-gluing every broken spiky bit and weapon blade.

I laugh so hard every time I think of GW's sad little "but think of the new players!!! how HARD they would have it if they'd have to *gasp* KITBASH weapon options!"

 Fafnir wrote:
melon-fething Asdrubel Vect.

Give him a new mode and some decent rules, GW, and I might just give you the money for a whole new army.

The idea of a new Vect model honestly terrifies me. Last thing I want for 40k is another supersized centerpiece superhero. I'm still pissed by the yncarne model which is huge, it should have been the same size that visarch has, it's just an elf after all but to make him a centerpiece model they've sculpted a scenic base that makes the model look awful and silly. A new santa claus (and also 40k in general) is not what drukhari need.

 Blackie wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
melon-fething Asdrubel Vect.

Give him a new mode and some decent rules, GW, and I might just give you the money for a whole new army.

The idea of a new Vect model honestly terrifies me. Last thing I want for 40k is another supersized centerpiece superhero. I'm still pissed by the yncarne model which is huge, it should have been the same size that visarch has, it's just an elf after all but to make him a centerpiece model they've sculpted a scenic base that makes the model look awful and silly. A new santa claus (and also 40k in general) is not what drukhari need.

The Yncarne is "huge" but puts it into the same general spot as the Forge World Avatar; which seems to be the size people wanted.
The Yncarne also isn't "just an elf". It might have been an elf at one point; but it's not anymore.


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the_scotsman wrote:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you gave me a plastic monopose archon and a reaver jetbike kit, and you told me I had to kitbash an Archon on bike, and then you gave another guy any Finecast character and told them they had to assemble it exactly as intended, I'd be able to give you three great looking plastic biker archons before the other guy could finish shaving the mold lines, scooping out the mold release, greenstuffing the massive bubbles and voids, hair dryering the noodle arms and re-gluing every broken spiky bit and weapon blade.

I laugh so hard every time I think of GW's sad little "but think of the new players!!! how HARD they would have it if they'd have to *gasp* KITBASH weapon options!"

Truthfully, I feel like the Reavers and Hellions just would be a good basis to 'build a character' off of. I wouldn't have them as Archons, if it were me designing them, but I'd look at them in the same vein as the Succubus and the Imperial Assassins.

Succubus, Reaver, Hellion characters would all be kind of a cool little 'Triumvirate' of its own. The Pit Fighting Champs!

Why would vect need to be a big centrepiece monster? He should be no bigger than any other standard infantry character.

 Fafnir wrote:
Why would vect need to be a big centrepiece monster? He should be no bigger than any other standard infantry character.

Presumably he'd come with the Dais of Destruction party boat, like back in his 3rd edition model.

 Fafnir wrote:
Why would vect need to be a big centrepiece monster? He should be no bigger than any other standard infantry character.

I'd expect Vect to be done up like Logan Grimnar and his 'Stormchariot'.

He'd have a version that could be on foot or on his Dais of Destruction; or he could just be like Pask and Longstrike and only have his vehicle.

 Fafnir wrote:
Why would vect need to be a big centrepiece monster? He should be no bigger than any other standard infantry character.

The pile of corpses he's inevitably standing on?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
Why would vect need to be a big centrepiece monster? He should be no bigger than any other standard infantry character.

I'd expect Vect to be done up like Logan Grimnar and his 'Stormchariot'.

He'd have a version that could be on foot or on his Dais of Destruction; or he could just be like Pask and Longstrike and only have his vehicle.

I would very much like to see his giant floating Ziggurat, armed to the teeth with Dark Lances and Disintegrators.

If you gave me a choice between more subfaction-locked named characters and a fancy named character centerpiece and just...basic quality of life upgrades like different options to outfit our generic HQs, plasic models for some of our finecrap, and better rules for our current models which are unviable, I know what I'd pick every time.

the_scotsman wrote:
If you gave me a choice between more subfaction-locked named characters and a fancy named character centerpiece and just...basic quality of life upgrades like different options to outfit our generic HQs, plasic models for some of our finecrap, and better rules for our current models which are unviable, I know what I'd pick every time.

I think you're misunderstanding my "characters" part...

I mean for you to be able to make generic Hellion and Reaver characters out of the box, not named ones. Is that something you'd have been interested in?

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
If you gave me a choice between more subfaction-locked named characters and a fancy named character centerpiece and just...basic quality of life upgrades like different options to outfit our generic HQs, plasic models for some of our finecrap, and better rules for our current models which are unviable, I know what I'd pick every time.

I think you're misunderstanding my "characters" part...

I mean for you to be able to make generic Hellion and Reaver characters out of the box, not named ones. Is that something you'd have been interested in?

Oh, sure. I don't care whether it's called a Succubus on Hoverbike or a Helicaptain (maybe he could have a special attack where he whirls his hellglaive around really fast and attacks all the models around him, or a special build with two stunclaws called a Helicaptor!) We just need more options rather than being totally locked in both the troop slot AND the HQ slot if we want to make a detachment.

Fun fact, you can't even make a Wych Cult Brigade detachment. No access to any Heavy Support units.

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 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
If you gave me a choice between more subfaction-locked named characters and a fancy named character centerpiece and just...basic quality of life upgrades like different options to outfit our generic HQs, plasic models for some of our finecrap, and better rules for our current models which are unviable, I know what I'd pick every time.

I think you're misunderstanding my "characters" part...

I mean for you to be able to make generic Hellion and Reaver characters out of the box, not named ones. Is that something you'd have been interested in?

Oh, sure. I don't care whether it's called a Succubus on Hoverbike or a Helicaptain (maybe he could have a special attack where he whirls his hellglaive around really fast and attacks all the models around him, or a special build with two stunclaws called a Helicaptor!) We just need more options rather than being totally locked in both the troop slot AND the HQ slot if we want to make a detachment.

Fun fact, you can't even make a Wych Cult Brigade detachment. No access to any Heavy Support units.

Or Haemonculus Coven because of the lack of Fast Attack.

Eh. Most DE I see on table are in Ynarri lists.

Don't expect that to change much.

The thing about DE is that they need to be completely redesigned from the ground up. The codex can't just be some point adjustments, stratagems, and a couple viable faction traits. The Dark Eldar are simply weak and bland in a faction that is nothing if not the exact opposite of that. Nothing is strong on its own, nothing works well together, and nothing feels particularly thematic. It's just another T3 army with a random buff table and slightly high mobility.

I really like the idea mentioned above of building the army around debuff mechanics. Dark Eldar are probably the most demoralizing, terrifying end that you can face in the 40k setting (and that says a lot), and having that represented on the tabletop would be magnificent. And I hope that doesn't just mean through negative leadership bubbles (because Leadership is a broken and worthless mechanic in an edition where everything is immune to it).

I have no confidence the DE codex will fix our issues, based off the other codices released so far.

I mean... Tyranids were great...

Yeah, you're screwed.

 Fafnir wrote:
The thing about DE is that they need to be completely redesigned from the ground up. The codex can't just be some point adjustments, stratagems, and a couple viable faction traits. The Dark Eldar are simply weak and bland in a faction that is nothing if not the exact opposite of that. Nothing is strong on its own, nothing works well together, and nothing feels particularly thematic. It's just another T3 army with a random buff table and slightly high mobility.

I really like the idea mentioned above of building the army around debuff mechanics. Dark Eldar are probably the most demoralizing, terrifying end that you can face in the 40k setting (and that says a lot), and having that represented on the tabletop would be magnificent. And I hope that doesn't just mean through negative leadership bubbles (because Leadership is a broken and worthless mechanic in an edition where everything is immune to it).

-1 to roll etc auras on DE HQs seems a legit idea. whereas most armies buff their own troops make DE HQs supply debuffs