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 insaniak wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s a very short trailer, which shows very little of what we can expect.

Awful lot of conclusions being drawn based on that?

That's sort of what trailers are for...

No. Trailers are not meant to tell you much of anything. Trailers are for getting the target audience excited. This is a cartoon on the disney channel. Bright colors. Child show humor. Neat space ships. BB8. Fast flying and a little bit of action. Silly insaniak, this trailers for kids!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm not a huge fan of the animation style, but I seem to remember the show Ironman Armored Adventures that was around a couple of years ago that looked kind of like that? This just looks like a slightly softer style. If the story is there I could overlook the animation.

I hated Transformers Primes animation and art style at first. And now it's the Transformaers show I swear by. All depends on how well it's done.

I think its important to note that every sw cartoon since clone wars has grown up with its audience. Clone wars and rebels both start very kid friendly. But by s3 s4 the theme get real heavy and dark. Expect the same.

This will start with the intent of bringing in a new batch of 10 year olds and 4-5 years from now will be more mature and aimed a bit higher at that 14-15 year old age group.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Still a far cry from the Princess stereotype.

Really? In what capacity?

Open scene gets captured by the black knight in service to the evil wizard. Rescued by the knight in training, his mentor, his rogue friend, and the monster companion. Gives medals. Tells them about their next quest. Spends 2 movies being the object of desire of 2 male characters and continues to be one for one of them in the 3rd.

The only bit that really mixes it up is the surprise incest.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
You mean besides the Princess also fighting her way out of the evil castle, going on to lead armies, and personally fight & choke to death a large, slug that captured her? While also still fighting in the later battle on Endor?

If you cherry pick examples, you can make anyone look bad.

If you mean "fight her way out" you mean hang onto the knight in training while he swung them over a pit, follow their lead and hold a blaster while everyone else had the plan and the lead the charge sure.

If you mean lead armies by being a middle management cog in a resistance force and was not the top person in charge like all lesser royalty then sure.

If you mean that time she was put into a sex outfit and enslaved and played a small part in spite killing the more or less defenseless thing that chose to enslave her while again, everyone else had the plan to rescue her than sure.

Yeah sure. She fought on endor. It wasn't solo, luke, chewie and the ewoks that did all the work.

I know people like to think princess leia is some strong female character. But even carrie fischer has always been incredibly disappointed in the complete lack of character arch, growth, or purpose of the character that wasn't just being there for other characters motivations. Sure it was the 70s. And in 79 Alien came out with actual strong, bad ass, with her own agency, Lt. Ripley in it.

I like calling her character what it is. Barely a character in the OT.

Do you remember when her planet got blown up? Do you remember her human reaction to every person and place she ever knew being turned into an asteroid cluster? No? Thats because she wasn't really much of anything.

Trying to claim the character was more than what it is doesn't do it any favors. Leia wasn't the hero of any of the stories. She wasn't even A hero of any of the stories. She was motivation. A MacGuffin for the actual heroes to be motivated by.

Just like every other princess in every other typical story of those types. It's why she has the title Princess instead of literally ANY other title real or made up.

What always throws me in all the cartoons (clone wars included) is that the aliens speak english. The SW movies always had the really neat innovation of the aliens just speaking their own alien languages and us being able to pick up what they were saying through context of the humans responses.

It's bizarre watching a Rodian speak "common".

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Basic. They speak Basic

Clone Wars it makes sense, because it's largely Senators.

Rebels? There's not that many Aliens in it.

I suppose there's also an argument than being kid's shows, you can never guarantee your audience will be able to read the subtitles - either at all, or fast enough?

With regard to the trailer, I actually got used to the art style quite quickly. Which is unusual for me, as I can't stand the Marvel stuff in the same artistic vein.

The Aliens didn't speak basic in the prequel movies.

And SW never had subtitles until Han and chewie were speaking in the pit in Solo.

JUST saying. SW assumed everyone could figure it out, because we can. But the cartoons don't. I imagine it's mostly because it's easier to have a voice actor say words then it is to get the dozens of alien languages sounding right without just saying "Ootah Gootah, Solo!" over and over again. So it's probably a production limitation. But that production limitation shows and I notice it.