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Looks like a pretty cliche group of characters. But stock characters are there for a reason. I’m not expecting anything ground breaking for this, but it looks like fun.
Nevelon wrote: Looks like a pretty cliche group of characters. But stock characters are there for a reason. I’m not expecting anything ground breaking for this, but it looks like fun.
You say that like the original trilogy wasn't also a cliche group of characters ...
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Nevelon wrote: Looks like a pretty cliche group of characters. But stock characters are there for a reason. I’m not expecting anything ground breaking for this, but it looks like fun.
You say that like the original trilogy wasn't also a cliche group of characters ...
That’s fair.
I don’t think Star Wars broke any ground with character tropes. Or plot for that mater. But the way it wove everything together is where the magic was. Hopefully they can capture some of that spark here. I’m sure it will be a fun watch, but I can already see a number of story arcs, just from the characters. You could make bingo cards and see which ones were worked into the series first.
Open scene gets captured by the black knight in service to the evil wizard. Rescued by the knight in training, his mentor, his rogue friend, and the monster companion. Gives medals. Tells them about their next quest. Spends 2 movies being the object of desire of 2 male characters and continues to be one for one of them in the 3rd.
The only bit that really mixes it up is the surprise incest.
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You mean besides the Princess also fighting her way out of the evil castle, going on to lead armies, and personally fight & choke to death a large, slug that captured her? While also still fighting in the later battle on Endor?
If you cherry pick examples, you can make anyone look bad.
ZebioLizard2 wrote: You mean besides the Princess also fighting her way out of the evil castle, going on to lead armies, and personally fight & choke to death a large, slug that captured her? While also still fighting in the later battle on Endor?
If you cherry pick examples, you can make anyone look bad.
If you mean "fight her way out" you mean hang onto the knight in training while he swung them over a pit, follow their lead and hold a blaster while everyone else had the plan and the lead the charge sure.
If you mean lead armies by being a middle management cog in a resistance force and was not the top person in charge like all lesser royalty then sure.
If you mean that time she was put into a sex outfit and enslaved and played a small part in spite killing the more or less defenseless thing that chose to enslave her while again, everyone else had the plan to rescue her than sure.
Yeah sure. She fought on endor. It wasn't solo, luke, chewie and the ewoks that did all the work.
I know people like to think princess leia is some strong female character. But even carrie fischer has always been incredibly disappointed in the complete lack of character arch, growth, or purpose of the character that wasn't just being there for other characters motivations. Sure it was the 70s. And in 79 Alien came out with actual strong, bad ass, with her own agency, Lt. Ripley in it.
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If you mean "fight her way out" you mean hang onto the knight in training while he swung them over a pit, follow their lead and hold a blaster while everyone else had the plan and the lead the charge sure.
Spoiler:
If you mean lead armies by being a middle management cog in a resistance force and was not the top person in charge like all lesser royalty then sure.
Because the guy with actual battlefield experience was the general, and even then she still had the ear of the general when it came to command and still helped lead the evacuation of the rebel base
If you mean that time she was put into a sex outfit and enslaved and played a small part in spite killing the more or less defenseless thing that chose to enslave her while again, everyone else had the plan to rescue her than sure.
I... Apparently choking the big monster to death with a chain is a small part of killing it, who knew.
Yeah sure. She fought on endor. It wasn't solo, luke, chewie and the ewoks that did all the work.
You really like downplaying her contribution don't you?
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I like calling her character what it is. Barely a character in the OT.
Do you remember when her planet got blown up? Do you remember her human reaction to every person and place she ever knew being turned into an asteroid cluster? No? Thats because she wasn't really much of anything.
Trying to claim the character was more than what it is doesn't do it any favors. Leia wasn't the hero of any of the stories. She wasn't even A hero of any of the stories. She was motivation. A MacGuffin for the actual heroes to be motivated by.
Just like every other princess in every other typical story of those types. It's why she has the title Princess instead of literally ANY other title real or made up.
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ZebioLizard2 wrote: I... Apparently choking the big monster to death with a chain is a small part of killing it, who knew.
Well, when everything gets exploded by the hero 60 seconds later, it does undercut it a bit.
Look, you aren't entirely wrong, she isn't completely useless and there are much worse female leads. But.. she's allotted maybe 5 minutes of snark and one or two moments of decisive action per film, and that's really about it. After that an uncertain look wanders over her face and she fades into the background (literally happens during the Falcon repairs in Empire), or she's put back in her box. See Endor, where she sits around and waits in the Ewok village for the team to abandon their mission and come get her... And has her hair braided and a new (and completely impractical) dress made for her by forest dwelling primitives.
As female leads go... there are a lot of mixed messages. It isn't quite as bad as Eowyn (lots of talk around bravery and suicide, then prophecy action, then boxed up for marriage), but that character was written in the 40s/50s. For a 70s/80s sci-fi/space opera, Leia is passable but not particularly exceptional. Not just a prize to be won, but her moments of awesome are definitely fewer and overshadowed- for example, there isn't even a discussion about excluding her from the lineage confrontation. It simply never occurs to anyone that maybe she should go and confront 'father' as well. Or that it might actually be more effective, evoking memories of their (then unnamed) mother rather than confrontations with obi-wan.
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That's quite a large cast with the characters from the last preview. Wonder if they will get trimmed down at some point?
Kinda related but any one placing bets on how long the ocean planet base lasts?
The ex Tie pilot has the best ship, and is an obvious red herring as a spy candidate.
Turk doesn't need to make up a Star wars name, and seeing Filoni without a cowboy hat still freaks me out
Kid_Kyoto wrote: So it the animation by the same folks who made the Esurance commercials?
No, the animation house appears to be Polygon Pictures, who worked on Clone Wars.
They're also the same house who put out those low FPS CGI anime movies, like BLAME, Knights of Sidonia and Godzilla, which these previews seem to use the same tech from:
What always throws me in all the cartoons (clone wars included) is that the aliens speak english. The SW movies always had the really neat innovation of the aliens just speaking their own alien languages and us being able to pick up what they were saying through context of the humans responses.
It's bizarre watching a Rodian speak "common".
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Clone Wars it makes sense, because it's largely Senators.
Rebels? There's not that many Aliens in it.
I suppose there's also an argument than being kid's shows, you can never guarantee your audience will be able to read the subtitles - either at all, or fast enough?
With regard to the trailer, I actually got used to the art style quite quickly. Which is unusual for me, as I can't stand the Marvel stuff in the same artistic vein.
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Clone Wars it makes sense, because it's largely Senators.
Rebels? There's not that many Aliens in it.
I suppose there's also an argument than being kid's shows, you can never guarantee your audience will be able to read the subtitles - either at all, or fast enough?
With regard to the trailer, I actually got used to the art style quite quickly. Which is unusual for me, as I can't stand the Marvel stuff in the same artistic vein.
The Aliens didn't speak basic in the prequel movies.
And SW never had subtitles until Han and chewie were speaking in the pit in Solo.
JUST saying. SW assumed everyone could figure it out, because we can. But the cartoons don't. I imagine it's mostly because it's easier to have a voice actor say words then it is to get the dozens of alien languages sounding right without just saying "Ootah Gootah, Solo!" over and over again. So it's probably a production limitation. But that production limitation shows and I notice it.
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beast_gts wrote:And now there's calls for it to be banned/scrapped because one of the voice actors made a political post on Twitter...
I mean, yeah, Disney's basically got a target on its face for that kind of thing right now.
The actual post is bizzare in its own right, either super sincere or brutally sarcastic - allegedly, anyway.
Speaking of...
Lance845 wrote:And SW never had subtitles until Han and chewie were speaking in the pit in Solo.
If you're being serious:
VII had subtitles on droid and alien talk when two agents outed BB8 being at Maz's bar,
II had subtitles on the CGI aliens with the early Death Star plans,
I had subtitles on Sebulba's dialogue,
VI special edition had subtitles on all of Jabba's dialogue,
IV special edition had subtitles on all of Greedo and Jabba's dialogue.
These are just off the top of my head.
Having unsubtitled foreign dialogue (whether alien or human languages not native to the viewer) has certain framing requirements if you want the audience to follow along.
The Greedo-Han talk is actually a really good example of this: Huttese is structurally similar to English, it takes about the same time to say something in either language, the position of nouns, proper nouns, all that are in the same place, and they borrow words from each other.
So sometimes Greedo says something and we can basically tell he's saying 'Going somewhere, Solo?', without any additional prodding. Sometimes he says something incomprehensible and we rely on context clues from Han to understand he said something like "I'm lucky I found you first.". You also have moments that mesh the two: when he says "You can tell that to Jabba, he may only take your ship." the beats match and the last word sounds kind of like 'ship' and Han's reaction "Over my dead body!" confirms it without directly repeating back what he said.
And all of that is in one very carefully crafted scene. (Which is utterly ruined by adding Jabba later to have the exact same conversation.)
It's not immediately practical to take the same approach to frequent conversations in a TV show. If you have a Rodian regular and you don't want to have your main character parrot every line he says back to him every time the situation doesn't allow for that careful framing (say, a fighter battle) having him speak basic instead is an elegant solution.
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