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one gathers that "Ships will be usable and they’ll be doing upgrade packs for the factions"
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X-wing with movable s-foils excites me, everything else worries me.
Don't 't get me wrong x-wing has enough FAQ's and changes to warrant a new edition, but recent experience has jaded me of such things.
Star trek attack wing has recently had a second edition and it has effectively killed the game locally. The odd thing is most of the changes are subtle and for the better. Of all the rules changes there is only one I don't think helps the game (having to place maneuver dials in skill order) but for no reason they have decided to drop the cost of all new ships which makes all existing one unplayable in a competitive environment. Image if the x-wings in the new starter set are 7 points cheaper than the current ones for no reason, that sort of change.
I can't see an edition change without a bunch of cards being invalidated, or at least completely re-worded meaning the actual card is pointless.
it's the quiet ones you have to look out for. Their the ones that change the world, the loud ones just take the credit for it.
All upgrade cards are invalidated, but your ships are still OK if you get the conversion kit. Points costs and upgrade slots handled by an app allows for much better balance.
Conversion kits will provide everything you need to bring your first edition ships into second. In addition, any new ship cards and pilots from section edition will also be included."
“All wings report in!”
–Red Leader, Star Wars: A New Hope
From the skies of Scarif in Rogue One to the climatic clash above Endor in Return of the Jedi, starfighters have played a pivotal role in almost every defining battle of the Galactic Civil War. During these confrontations, the brave members of the Rebel Alliance faced seemingly insurmountable odds, squaring off against the merciless forces of the Galactic Empire in intense, ship-to-ship space combat.
Since its release, X-Wing™ Miniatures Game has invited you to enter the Star Wars galaxy and play out your own battles with some of the series’ most iconic starfighters. Leading custom-built squadrons into fast-paced, high-stakes battles, you’ve flown with the Galactic Empire, the Rebel Alliance, and the Scum and Villainy of the galaxy in countless battles. You’ve modified your ships for every scrap of speed, maneuverability, and firepower. Now, it’s time for a new chapter in your X-Wing journey.
Today, Fantasy Flight Games is excited to announce the next evolution of your interstellar dogfights: X-Wing™ Second Edition, a game of daring space combat for two players! With three fully assembled and beautifully pre-painted ships, and all the cards, movement tools, tokens, and dice that you need to get flying with the second edition, the X-Wing Second Edition Core Set is the perfect way to introduce yourself to the new mechanics or experience X-Wing for the first time.
While the X-Wing Second Edition Core Set provides everything you need to get started with your first space battles in the new edition, it isn’t all that will be on offer. You can bring your full collection of first edition ships into the new edition with Conversion Kits for the Galactic Empire, Rebel Alliance, and Scum and Villainy. What’s more, a full hangar bay of expansions will launch alongside the Core Set, giving you plenty of options for creating your squadrons and customizing your X-Wing Second Edition experience.
Click these links to read more about the Rebel Alliance, Galactic Empire, and Scum and Villainy content that will be available at launch! Then, click here to learn more about the Organized Play program for X-Wing Second Edition.
Why Second Edition?
Since 2012 and the release of the game, X-Wing Miniatures Game has grown and expanded to become a massive bestseller. Fourteen waves and fifty-eight distinct starships provided a massive library of ships and tactical possibilities, giving you the chance to field hundreds of unique squadrons in their space battles across the Star Wars saga.
Despite the massive success of the game’s first edition, we believe that by advancing the game to a second edition, X-Wing can offer an even better experience! There are four primary places where we believe X-Wing Second Edition will offer a renewed and improved experience:
With X-Wing Second Edition, gameplay has been refined across the board, implementing minor tweaks and changes to improve the game’s flow, clean up interactions, and refocus the game on the physical act of flying starships. For more information about the gameplay tweaks implemented in X-Wing Second Edition, click here to read our FAQ!
The Force is a crucial part of the Star Wars galaxy that has historically played a smaller role in the game of X-Wing. With the release of X-Wing Second Edition, we have the chance to implement the Force as an important part of the game, affecting how you fly your ships and the choices that you make in the heat of battle. For more information about the Force and how it plays out in your games of X-Wing, just keep reading!
Faction identities have been strengthened in X-Wing Second Edition, giving each faction more unique tactics and strategies. Flying a squadron of Scum and Villainy starships should feel very different from flying an Imperial squadron, and with the game’s second edition, those differences are more present than ever before. What’s more, the First Order and Resistance have been reformed into their own distinct factions, separate from the Rebel Alliance and Galactic Empire, with their own themes, strengths, and weaknesses.
An official X-Wing squad builder app / website will be implemented, bringing a new level of dynamic play to Organized Play and casual games alike. This X-Wing squad builder gives players an easy way to assemble their squadrons and manage their collection, and it also allows the Organized Play team to explore dozens of new possibilities with alternate formats for the game. The point cost of ships and upgrades and the upgrade slots available to ships can be adjusted for the course of a single event, a tournament series, or an entire season of the game. Ultimately, the X-Wing squad builder app creates dynamic and constantly evolving Organized Play unlike anything that was possible before. For more information about the X-Wing squad builder app, read on.
Fly into the Fray
“I know a few maneuvers. We’ll lose ‘em!”
–Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
X-Wing Second Edition puts you in command of your own squadron of advanced starfighters locked in thrilling, tactical space combat. Following in the footsteps of the first edition, the second edition refines the intuitive and exciting core formula of maneuvering your ships into position by placing a central focus on the visceral thrill of flying starships in the Star Wars galaxy.
During a battle, you’ll use your squadron’s unique capabilities to give yourself an advantage in the thick of combat. Each X-Wing ship flies differently, with its own set of maneuvers ranging from gentle banks to aggressive Koiogran turns. As in the game’s first edition, you’ll need to use every ship’s maneuvering capabilities to the fullest in order to strategically position your ships. A round begins with players secretly selecting a maneuver on each of their ships’ unique maneuver dials. Once you’ve decided how each of your ships is going to fly, you’ll begin revealing the dials and moving your ships, starting with the lowest skilled pilots.
As you move, you’ll enter a tense duel with your opponent as you both try to line up the perfect shot. Before you can open fire on an opponent’s ship, however, they must be in your firing arc and within range. By carefully selecting your maneuvers, you can get enemy ships in your sights, and once you’ve locked onto your target, you’re free to choose your plan of attack. You might pepper the enemy with blaster fire to whittle away their shields. Or, you could go for massive damage and launch a devastating volley of proton torpedoes. No matter how you approach the battle, you have complete control of your squadron. One player wins when all of their opponent’s ships are destroyed!
Slick flying is certainly important, but it isn’t the only consideration you’ll have to make in the midst of a dogfight. As in the first edition of X-Wing, once your ships have completed a maneuver, you can also perform an action to gain the upper hand. Whether you choose to acquire a target lock on a rival ship or barrel roll out of an enemy’s firing arc, the actions you take affect the course of the battle and determine the fate of your squadron.
Now, in the second edition of the game, your actions offer greater strategic depth than ever before. Some actions are red and induce stress when they are used. Other actions may be linked, allowing you to chain two actions together and push the limits of how your ship can handle in a dogfight! We’ll be covering every part of X-Wing Second Edition gameplay in much more detail in a series of in-depth previews. Stay tuned to our website for more information!
Use the Force
“For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is.”
–Yoda, Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
The Force is an iconic part of the Star Wars galaxy, and some of the best pilots, including Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader, have been able to use this energy source to push themselves—and their starfighters—to the limits of their capabilities.
Fittingly then, X-Wing Second Edition introduces Force powers into the game, giving Force-sensitive pilots an extra edge in the heat of battle. Pilots with the ability to exert their influence over the Force have Force charges that they can spend to perform awe-inspiring feats, far beyond the abilities of normal pilots.
At their most basic, these charges can be spent to improve a pilot’s aim or give them an extra push to avoid incoming fire. Using a Force charge lets you change a single focus result on attack or defense to a hit or evade result! When paired with upgrade cards, however, Force-sensitive pilots become even more versatile. Upgrades that require Force charges can make Force-sensitive pilots more perceptive of their surroundings, give them supernatural reflexes, or even grant them the ability to reach out and sense where their opponent will move next.
While the Force can be a powerful ally in the midst of battle, it is also a finite resource. You must choose the right moment to spend your charges to ensure they have the greatest impact on the battle. Trust your feelings and let the Force flow through you!
Iconic Ships
“We’ll have to destroy them ship to ship. Get the crews to their fighters.”
–Darth Vader, Star Wars: A New Hope
X-Wing is known for bringing starships from across the Star Wars galaxy to life in beautifully-detailed miniatures. On top of the T-65 X-wing and two TIE fighters included in the X-Wing Second Edition Core Set, the many X-Wing Second Edition expansions give players plenty of options for building a squadron that fits your playstyle.
Whether you prefer the versatile starfighters of the ragtag Rebel Alliance, the speed and overwhelming numbers of the Galactic Empire, or the unpredictability of the galaxy’s most wretched Scum and Villainy, all three factions will be represented at launch. New players can expand their collections with X-Wing Second Edition ship expansions while veterans can use each faction’s conversion kit to bring their entire collection of first edition ships into the game’s second edition.
Each conversion kit contains a massive array of second edition cards, tokens, and maneuver dials for the ships previously released in the game’s first edition. Between the conversion kits and the support offered by the X-Wing squad builder app, you’ll have everything that you need to completely customize your squadron and play with all of your existing ships in the game’s second edition. You can follow these links for more information on all of the products coming out for the Galactic Empire, Rebel Alliance, and Scum and Villainy factions. For more information about the X-Wing squad builder app, read on!
Furthermore, the X-Wing Second Edition Dice Pack will be available alongside the release of the Core Set. This accessory includes three red attack dice and three green defense dice, identical to those found in the Core Set. With this tool of convenience at your side, your battles can keep up with even the fastest starfighter.
Of course, the Star Wars saga encompasses more than just the Galactic Civil War. The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi continue the story, dramatizing the struggle between the Resistance and First Order. Rather than continue as sub-factions of the Rebel Alliance and Galactic Empire, the Resistance and the First Order are being expanded into their own complete factions in X-Wing Second Edition! These factions will be introduced during the second wave of expansions, with their own conversion kits for veteran players to bring their existing First Order and Resistance ships into the game.
Build Your Squad
“Man your ships!”
–General Dodonna, Star Wars: A New Hope
Once you’ve chosen a faction, it’s time to build your squadron. X-Wing Second Edition gives you a massive amount of freedom to select the ships, pilots, and upgrades that you want to fly. Ace pilots such as Luke Skywalker and Iden Versio bring special abilities to the fray, giving them an advantage over other pilots. On top of the tricks that your pilots can bring to the battle, aces and rank-and-file pilots alike can customize their ships with modifications, secondary weapons, astromech droids, and special skills that add new variety and tactical depth to every game. In the second edition, however, the exact upgrades which each ship can equip are determined by the X-Wing squad builder app, which we’ll explore more below!
The upgrade cards that you choose give your pilots special abilities or alternative ways to attack, giving you more flexibility in the middle of a battle. You’ll choose your upgrades using the Quick Build cards or the official X-Wing squad builder app before the game starts, as part of assembling your squadron. Once equipped, the new, horizontally-aligned upgrade cards are tucked partially beneath the ship card or another equipped upgrade—allowing you to clearly view the text and any new icons that the upgrade adds to your ship.
When you’re pulling together a squadron to battle against a friend, X-Wing Second Edition offers two excellent ways to assemble your squadrons. If you want to jump into action right away, you can use the Quick Build cards for each ship to easily put together balanced squadrons. These cards include predefined selections of pilots and upgrades, with a threat level that represents the strength of that particular combination. All you have to do to get playing is choose a threat level, select a combination of Quick Build cards that add up to that threat level, and start playing!
If you want full control over the pilots and upgrades in your squadron, however, X-Wing Second Edition introduces the X-Wing squad-builder app. In the first edition of X-Wing, a ship’s upgrade slots and the point costs of ship cards and upgrade cards were printed directly on the card. With the advent of X-Wing Second Edition, these point values and upgrade slots will be governed by the app! Rather than using point values printed on the ship cards and upgrade cards, the squad-builder tracks all point values and the upgrade slots available to a ship at any time. What’s more, this app explains the rules of squad-point building and enforces these rules so that players do not accidentally build illegal squads.
Not only does the X-Wing squad builder app enable fast, accurate list-building, the versatility of the X-Wing squad builder app means that it will be easy to support multiple formats of play, creating a more dynamic play environment. Whether you’re playing at a tournament or around your table at home, the squad builder can be used to create specific formats that test all of your squad-building abilities. The point costs or upgrade slots available to certain ships could be easily adjusted for the course of a single event, a series of tournaments, or a season of the game.
The dynamic approach to X-Wing formats given by the X-Wing squad builder app gives the Organized Play team an opportunity to create unforgettable and unique tournament formats. You can even use the X-Wing squad builder app to create your own custom formats if you’re playing at home or running your own tournament in a local store! By restricting certain cards, you can create a tournament format that’s as unique as the game experience you want to explore.
Future previews will explore the Quick Build cards and the squad builder app in much more detail, showing you just how you’ll be able to pick your pilots, outfit their ships, and jump into the thick of battle!
A New Beginning
“The Force will be with you. Always.”
–Obi-Wan Kenobi, Star Wars: A New Hope
Enemy ships are on your scanners and you only have a few seconds to issue your commands. Experience the next era of interstellar Star Wars battles with X-Wing Second Edition!
Look for X-Wing Second Edition (SWZ01) to be sold early at Gen Con 2018, with a wide release on September 13th, 2018. Pre-order your copy at your local retailer or online through our website today!
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"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Nope. Not chasing that dragon again. Its a super fun casual game, but I made the mistake of thinking it could be a good tournament game that was also affordable.
Unless this new app gives you unlimited access to all upgrades in infinite amounts, I don't want to be involved with stuff like buying four terrible K-wings, just for a given card, etc...
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Nope. Not chasing that dragon again. Its a super fun casual game, but I made the mistake of thinking it could be a good tournament game that was also affordable.
Unless this new app gives you unlimited access to all upgrades in infinite amounts, I don't want to be involved with stuff like buying four terrible K-wings, just for a given card, etc...
In all fairness, a second edition allows FFG to correct this aspect of X-Wing. Both Runewars and Legion are a lot better about upgrade distribution (though not completely perfect).
The game has been in dire need of this for several years now. I'm really excited about it.
Best of all, most of the changes really feel like they're decoupling the game from physical components. That should greatly improve their ability to design and grow the game.
All in all, it looks like everything people have been asking for for years now. I know 3-4 of my specific wishlist items are specifically called out here, so I'm pretty happy.
First I really looking forward to the new edition
especially because I don't need to get that U-Wing Box to get an X-Wing Fix
But it will be expensive as I would need 2 upgrade packs and I doubt that there will be enough inside to get all my X-Wings and Tie Fighters Upgraded
Much as I’m scornful for FFG’s ‘make it suck, make them pay more later’ business model, at least they’re doing the upgrade boxes, rather than making you wait for ship’s to be released.
Wonder how well their sales on the U-Wing and other new sets are going to do in the meantime? On one hand, you’ll still need the ships. On the other? How many will prefer to wait and see how 2nd Ed is received?
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So, what's the incentive for veteran players here? We get to enjoy the privilege of paying yet more money for stuff we already paid for? A cost that new players won't have to pay, at that.
Seriously, what the hell happened at FFG? Is there something I'm missing here? This game was already kind of scummy and greedy, but this is so grossly egregious; it punishes you for being a player already! It doesn't make any sense. Instead of doing something to retain exsting players, the idea seems to be that we're idiots who will buy anything they put out, so literally just charge them some extra cash money to keep playing the game they already bought.
Unfortunately for me it doesn't seem like they've corrected one of my biggest issues with the game - all the TIEs are noticeably oversized.
I can just about get on board with the argument for a "sliding scale" when talking about the big, Epic Play ships, but the fact they employ it even for things like TIEs and U-Wings is just bizarre to me.
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Also, looking at video, looks like the Falcon at least, and by extrapolation quite possibly most turrets will have that spinnywidgetydoodah on their base. My guess is you select which fire arc a given turret is covering.
Falcon of course, classically, has two turret guns, top and bottom. So for now, I’m not reading too much into the two point nature - front and back/left and right. That could be unique to the Falcon for the aforementioned observation.
Either way, that’s at least bringing a bit more skill to using turrets, in the same way as Imperial Knights previously had to assign their shield to a quadrant.
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Jambles wrote: So, what's the incentive for veteran players here? We get to enjoy the privilege of paying yet more money for stuff we already paid for? A cost that new players won't have to pay, at that.
Seriously, what the hell happened at FFG? Is there something I'm missing here? This game was already kind of scummy and greedy, but this is so grossly egregious; it punishes you for being a player already! It doesn't make any sense. Instead of doing something to retain exsting players, the idea seems to be that we're idiots who will buy anything they put out, so literally just charge them some extra cash money to keep playing the game they already bought.
Bye, X-Wing.
Whoa their Pedro. Again, I’m normally scornful of FFG’s business model here. But, is the upgrade/conversion box really any different to a new Codex when all is said and done?
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Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Jambles wrote: So, what's the incentive for veteran players here? We get to enjoy the privilege of paying yet more money for stuff we already paid for? A cost that new players won't have to pay, at that.
Seriously, what the hell happened at FFG? Is there something I'm missing here? This game was already kind of scummy and greedy, but this is so grossly egregious; it punishes you for being a player already! It doesn't make any sense. Instead of doing something to retain exsting players, the idea seems to be that we're idiots who will buy anything they put out, so literally just charge them some extra cash money to keep playing the game they already bought.
Bye, X-Wing.
/flounce
Seriously, so should FFG just foot the cost of printing and distributing all the upgrade boxes themselves? I don't think there was any other option that wouldn't piss off current players more (re-buy all the ships? App only junk that would cut out the people who just want a wargame without any tablets?)
I prefer to buy from miniature manufacturers that *don't* support the overthrow of democracy.
Expected I guess. They have pretty much done all they can with the first version.
I have to admit, Star Wars X-Wing was a pleasant surprise. I had more fun with less miniatures that I didn't have to paint and yet looked awesome than any other game I've played. But regardless of what v2 brings, I already have all that I need from v1, and don't consider it broken or anything.
So FFG finally bit the bullet and went for a full overhaul. Depending on the price of the conversion kits I might give this a go, even if its just to satisfy my slightly ocd urge to keep my models "current" even though I rarely play.
The 2nd ed X-Wings are a new model, any indication if the other ships are new sculpts or repacked versions of the existing sculpts?
The mention of making the Resistance and the First Order into there own factions makes me think that FFG may be leaving the door open for the addition of the Republic and Separatist forces in the future.
Jambles wrote: So, what's the incentive for veteran players here? We get to enjoy the privilege of paying yet more money for stuff we already paid for? A cost that new players won't have to pay, at that.
Seriously, what the hell happened at FFG? Is there something I'm missing here? This game was already kind of scummy and greedy, but this is so grossly egregious; it punishes you for being a player already! It doesn't make any sense. Instead of doing something to retain exsting players, the idea seems to be that we're idiots who will buy anything they put out, so literally just charge them some extra cash money to keep playing the game they already bought.
Bye, X-Wing.
Do you drop every game when a new edition is released or are you making a special exception for X-Wing
Jambles wrote: So, what's the incentive for veteran players here? We get to enjoy the privilege of paying yet more money for stuff we already paid for? A cost that new players won't have to pay, at that.
Seriously, what the hell happened at FFG? Is there something I'm missing here? This game was already kind of scummy and greedy, but this is so grossly egregious; it punishes you for being a player already! It doesn't make any sense. Instead of doing something to retain exsting players, the idea seems to be that we're idiots who will buy anything they put out, so literally just charge them some extra cash money to keep playing the game they already bought.
Bye, X-Wing.
I feel like you're coming off as a little unreasonable here. This is no different than any other game coming out with a new edition. When 40k 8e came out, I had to buy a rulebook ($60), three Indexes ($75) and now three Codexes ($130) for my TWO armies. I had to spend $265 to cover the new edition rules for my TWO armies... Necrons and Space Marines w/AdMech support. The idea of having to spend $50 to upgrade my existing X-Wing Scum fleet to be 2.0 compliant isn't exactly a dealbreaker. With 40k, you had to buy new rules. With X-Wing, the rules are free and you'll instead buy new components.
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Game has been in need of a new edition, but I’m not too sure about the direction with the app - I use an app to build my list now, but the app controlling which upgrades you can assign to ships is a bit worrisome to me. I’ll have to see a faction unboxing I believe before I’ll know this is for me.
Should be a great time to get cheap ships off e-bay though from those who are going to dump instead of upgrade.
Yodhrin wrote: Unfortunately for me it doesn't seem like they've corrected one of my biggest issues with the game - all the TIEs are noticeably oversized.
I can just about get on board with the argument for a "sliding scale" when talking about the big, Epic Play ships, but the fact they employ it even for things like TIEs and U-Wings is just bizarre to me.
They're really not. We've just had years of TIEs in games and stuff being too small for a person to fit inside the cockpit.
Game has been in need of a new edition, but I’m not too sure about the direction with the app - I use an app to build my list now, but the app controlling which upgrades you can assign to ships is a bit worrisome to me. I’ll have to see a faction unboxing I believe before I’ll know this is for me.
Should be a great time to get cheap ships off e-bay though from those who are going to dump instead of upgrade.
Even if you're not dumping the game wholesale, I expect a lot of people will take the opportunity to prune their collections a bit and drop factions now that the game has grown to a point where there's a pretty overwhelming number of options for everyone.
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Yodhrin wrote: Unfortunately for me it doesn't seem like they've corrected one of my biggest issues with the game - all the TIEs are noticeably oversized.
I can just about get on board with the argument for a "sliding scale" when talking about the big, Epic Play ships, but the fact they employ it even for things like TIEs and U-Wings is just bizarre to me.
They're really not. We've just had years of TIEs in games and stuff being too small for a person to fit inside the cockpit.
Yeah IIRC there was an article ages ago about how FFG used the original ep4 Tie models to get the scale "right".
Subscribed. I was a big fan in the beginning despite the Pokemon style collecting. While I still liked the ships and was buying two of each anyways, I didn't mind the catch'em all release schedule. Once the ships mainly turned to repaints and EU ones I didn't want, my interest waned as I wasn't going to buy a ship just for a card to keep up with her metas and power creep. Plus, two of three years in, it already felt bloated to me. YMMV. If the upgrades really do out new/returning players on equal footing with completionists, I might try it again.
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I have all three factions..so I will be in for a chunk of money when it comes out..
But what worries me the most is the App.. I have a few player friends that live in the middle of no where.
They are lucky to get reception if not on wifi.. and most game shops don't supply wifi that I know of.
Am I reading this wrong?? So to make a list you will need the app, otherwise without it you have no way
of knowing your points total?? I know GW made their points that they can change when needed, but online
only concerns me for people that might not have access all the time.
Other thing is the new design of the dials.. The window allowed you to clearly see what the arrow you were on..
Now it just a marker, so no more quick glances to see what your opponent is doing.. Step backward on this...
warboss wrote: Subscribed. I was a big fan in the beginning despite the Pokemon style collecting. While I still liked the ships and was buying two of each anyways, I didn't mind the catch'em all release schedule. Once the ships mainly turned to repaints and EU ones I didn't want, my interest waned as I wasn't going to buy a ship just for a card to keep up with her metas and power creep. Plus, two of three years in, it already felt bloated to me. YMMV. If the upgrades really do out new/returning players on equal footing with completionists, I might try it again.
I got lucky - I liked about 99% of the ships in the game (Hound’s Tooth and Hawk being the two off the top of my head I didn’t like), so I never felt the “gotta buy this ship to get that card” because I was going to get the ship anyway. The last few waves though I have found myself passing on, the ships had gotten to the point I wasn’t familiar with them (and I realized I was probably never going to fly a Scum faction list, so stopped buying for that faction), so my purchases had really slowed down. I think the last thing I picked up was the imperial missile boat - none of the others in that wave, and just imperials for the prior two or three.
I certainly want to give the new rules a try, but at this point I’m doubtful I’ll pick up new models, and therefore new cards past the initial release. Can’t imagine I’ll be the only one.
Yodhrin wrote: Unfortunately for me it doesn't seem like they've corrected one of my biggest issues with the game - all the TIEs are noticeably oversized.
I can just about get on board with the argument for a "sliding scale" when talking about the big, Epic Play ships, but the fact they employ it even for things like TIEs and U-Wings is just bizarre to me.
They're really not. We've just had years of TIEs in games and stuff being too small for a person to fit inside the cockpit.
Yeah IIRC there was an article ages ago about how FFG used the original ep4 Tie models to get the scale "right".
They also claim they got the A-Wing scale "right", and that's nonsense as well. Basing the scales on the relative sizes of the actual shooting props is a moronic way to determine the scale since the shooting props were not built to a consistent scale themselves - even ILM themselves know that, which is why when they were prepping for Rogue One they went back and scaled every single digital prop for the film properly based on the pilot, giving a TIE/ln length of 7.24m, or about 26mm in X-Wing scale, while FFG's TIEs are 33mm. That's a ~22% size difference which of course is replicated in all dimensions, meaning the TIE series are more like 1/220-1/230 scale than 1/270-1/275 as they should be.
And it's not as if it was impossible for FFG to come to a similar measurement before R1 - the guy on the RebelScale website managed to get an estimate for TIE length of 7.3m just by eyeballing behind-the-scenes pictures of the cockpit set relative to the canopy.
Now of course at this point typically people who don't care about scale will just claim it's trivial - but if it's trivial, there's no reason not to get it right.
EDIT: And the app apparently will require an internet connection for some inexplicable reason, since they stated they're providing a PDF with all the points listed for people who prefer doing it oldschool and for those with intermittent 'net access.
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EDIT: And the app apparently will require an internet connection for some inexplicable reason, since they stated they're providing a PDF with all the points listed for people who prefer doing it oldschool and for those with intermittent 'net access.
The app will require an internet connection to get updates I'm sure, but the existence of the latter isn't much reason to assume it will require an active connection for use. None of FFG's other apps do and it would actually take a fair amount of effort to add it to something like this. They're just adding the PDF option because there's always people that insist their flip phone is good enough. PP does the same thing and people actually show up with laminated copies of those card db printouts for some reason.
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