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Oh my some significant changes...

yea, what was crap still is crap.
(looks at mourngul....)

as for the rest; dont have it, never faced it, couldent care less.
FW + AoS is very, very rare in my region.

Aweseme! Allegiance Abilities for my Chaos Dwarfs. Might have to give them another go on the field.

I have a huge chaos dwarf army. Their AOS incarnation was very...lacking. I need to run the new numbers and scrolls to see if they are actually not totally bottom tier still.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
yea, what was crap still is crap.
(looks at mourngul....)

as for the rest; dont have it, never faced it, couldent care less.
FW + AoS is very, very rare in my region.

Though hes not crap. Lost a save 3+ to now 4+ and hits on unmodified 6s cause 2 mortal wounds now, so that's good. He also heals and -1 to hit bubble is still very good. He still has a 6+ FNP like all nighthaunt. Also went down 50 points.

Im amazing how many people are acting like the sky is falling with this guy when the battletome will boost him up with rules we don't have any info on. He was worth taking before, and still worth it now.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:


as for the rest; dont have it, never faced it, couldent care less.
FW + AoS is very, very rare in my region.

I think the fall of fantasy caused FW to basically all but ignore fantasy as a market; why build boutique for a market that was already dwindling significantly. That's without even considering FW's Marine bias.

However last big interview they did they did say they'd founded a new Sigmar team within their operations. I think this is a patch-over to get the models ready for AOS2 fast for the launch and we'll see them revise and update over time. Either with upgrade kits and/or new beasties.

They really really need a chaos dwarf book. A proper book. With lore and background. And non bottom tier garbage rules.

The Rogue Idol looks really good. Same cost, no more random movement or number of attacks (and the fixed number lean on the upper tier of possible rolls), no bravery debuff when it dies, MW resistance... the only thing that got worse is the re-roll to hit when it charges. Overall, big buff.

I am disappointed they felt the need to nerf the Troggoth Hag. I didn't think it need it. Waiting for them to put out an errata because she has 14 wounds but the chart gives stats at 14+ wounds lost... Great proofreading...

Bonegrinder Gargant now in ally range. Nice.

Exalted Slaanesh got some interesting changes.
Lost 3+
Lost a cast (could cast 2/unbind 2)
lost reroll wounds of 1 (which sucks, but makes a chaos sorc her continued best friend)
Unqiue spell went from 3 mortal wounds to d3 mortal wounds
Weird ability to give opponent some benefit but a chance to outright kill them still useless. (Gives opponent reroll 1's... but on a 6 you kill them? wtf?)

But gained
60 point decrease
and command ability now wholly within 18" but allows an immediate pile in and attack after first round of combat. Wording says Pick a friendly Slaanesh Daemon wholly within 18" of a model with this command ability... and it goes on with the rest of the wording. I believe it still allows the exalted keeper to pick itself. If not, 30 daemonettes slamming into a squad and getting to go again will be really good.
Points decrease allows for an extra herald to be ran, effectively giving it 18 depravity points for its old cost, not to mention any damage that it does.

Exalted great unclean one is utter garbage now. Like wtf. Nerfed shooting attack (noxious bike) to be WORSE (objectively) compared to standard GUO. Lost 3+ save..

So for +120 points compared to standard GUO, you get 2 extra inches of movement and one extra attack on bilesword....and a WORSE shooting attack. I know have a $175 paperweight. Thanks forgeworld. fething bang up job.

Well the FW great unclean one makes for a normal great unclean one in a pinch. They are very similar in size.

On the flip side, chaos war mammoth is broken so I’ll be converting one. Can take marks of chaos lol. 22 wounds, 4+ and now benefits from harbinger of decay, chaos warshrine, and all Nurgle’s healing and cycle of corruption buffs.....lol insane buffs to this unit. All for the price of 10 blightkings.

Yep. My war mammoth will be seeing the table again

auticus wrote:
Well the FW great unclean one makes for a normal great unclean one in a pinch. They are very similar in size.

Yeah for a temp proxy. But it’s very difficult to convert to add a bell or or flail. I’d rather just spend the money on th amazing GUO and magnet it to have every variant. Sorry for being a negative Nellie. Between this and the plaguetouched warband dick punch...I have feel like the 2nd edition winds have been taken from my sails as I was cruising toward hype town.

auticus wrote:
Yep. My war mammoth will be seeing the table again

If they ever decide to do another production run, I'll definitely be getting one.

I like the changes, and Azgorh getting allegiance is cool. Magma Cannon/Iron Daemon spam seems a bit OP at those costs but it's been so long since I played against Azgorh I can't really say. The basic infantry look really nice as generic battleline, though not markable thankfully limits what can be done with them.

The mammoth point cost is lol, I'm guessing it was some sort of mistake/typo that will be fixed in short order. But get ready for mumak being used as mammoths in the meantime.

str00dles1 wrote:

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
yea, what was crap still is crap.
(looks at mourngul....)

as for the rest; dont have it, never faced it, couldent care less.
FW + AoS is very, very rare in my region.

Though hes not crap. Lost a save 3+ to now 4+ and hits on unmodified 6s cause 2 mortal wounds now, so that's good. He also heals and -1 to hit bubble is still very good. He still has a 6+ FNP like all nighthaunt. Also went down 50 points.

Im amazing how many people are acting like the sky is falling with this guy when the battletome will boost him up with rules we don't have any info on. He was worth taking before, and still worth it now.

there was nothing wrong whit hes 2016 rules exept for low point cost, so there was no need to nerf him for now 2 years in a row.
as it is, i rather bring out the black coach now then the gul, thats how far the gul has fallen imo.

Mourgul is fine for 300 points. He was totally OP in GHB1, the GHB2 nerf brought him into line. This is another nerf but also a point reduction, so they are just making it a 'smaller' model in listbuilding.

With all due respect, if you can't find a use for a model putting out a 6" -1 hit debuff that's your issue.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Mourgul is fine for 300 points. He was totally OP in GHB1, the GHB2 nerf brought him into line. This is another nerf but also a point reduction, so they are just making it a 'smaller' model in listbuilding.

With all due respect, if you can't find a use for a model putting out a 6" -1 hit debuff that's your issue.

I actually thought 300pts for the current iteration might be a touch high, but looking at the leaked Nighthaunt Allegiance Abilities makes me think he's probably just right. A Mourngul successfully long-bomb charging is going to be terrifying.

Plus, paired with Lady Olynder, her spell becomes something an opponent must deny, or else its rendered a unit just useless.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Mourgul is fine for 300 points. He was totally OP in GHB1, the GHB2 nerf brought him into line. This is another nerf but also a point reduction, so they are just making it a 'smaller' model in listbuilding.

With all due respect, if you can't find a use for a model putting out a 6" -1 hit debuff that's your issue.

I actually thought 300pts for the current iteration might be a touch high, but looking at the leaked Nighthaunt Allegiance Abilities makes me think he's probably just right. A Mourngul successfully long-bomb charging is going to be terrifying.

Plus, paired with Lady Olynder, her spell becomes something an opponent must deny, or else its rendered a unit just useless.

Axe boi -1 for heroes
Olynder-1 to hit
Neferata -1 to hit
Negash’s legion relic and command trait -1 to hit on a 4+ And -1 to wound
Mournful -1 to hit

You can literally shut down mid field with this stuff. Hitting on 3s will go to hitting on 6s

 Jaxler wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Mourgul is fine for 300 points. He was totally OP in GHB1, the GHB2 nerf brought him into line. This is another nerf but also a point reduction, so they are just making it a 'smaller' model in listbuilding.

With all due respect, if you can't find a use for a model putting out a 6" -1 hit debuff that's your issue.

I actually thought 300pts for the current iteration might be a touch high, but looking at the leaked Nighthaunt Allegiance Abilities makes me think he's probably just right. A Mourngul successfully long-bomb charging is going to be terrifying.

Plus, paired with Lady Olynder, her spell becomes something an opponent must deny, or else its rendered a unit just useless.

Axe boi -1 for heroes
Olynder-1 to hit
Neferata -1 to hit
Negash’s legion relic and command trait -1 to hit on a 4+ And -1 to wound
Mournful -1 to hit

You can literally shut down mid field with this stuff. Hitting on 3s will go to hitting on 6s

But doing that you have to take a crazy mixed Death list, losing most of their great, respective Allegiance Abilities. I mention Mourngul/Olynder specifically because you can be going pure Nighthaunt and not lose a drop of synergy. :-)