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I noticed the gaming boards in the Kill Team pictures have lots of the (cool) new terrain on them, but they lack the little bits of scatter terrain that give the table that feeling of verisimilitude. I was just wondering if anybody here had good ideas about building city appropriate scatter terrain, or buying it, and what kinds of pieces they would use? I know GW model kits provide crates, barrels, lamp posts (now discontinued), and little tractors that are pretty nifty, but it seems like all the ideas for original scatter terrain I see in Google searches are crates/barrels, or piled up garbage. I get there would be a lot of rubble and garbage in a warzone, but even for 40K just garbage lacks a sci-fi feel. Anybody have ideas for things we might see in an Imperial city to fill up the sidewalks and streets?

I know GW has the objective marker set, but most of that would usually be interior or very specific scatter. I’d except to see garbage cans and vending machines for starters, and fire hydrants of course. Utility poles could be expected as well. Just typical things you’d expect to see on a street in modern times, but bling it out with skulls and Aquila’s.

If you don’t want to scratch build, Puppet’s War have two varieties of utility poles. Wargames Exclusive has a variety of Gothic sci-fi cars.

I want to see how cover works before planning any terrain.

From what they have shown of kill time, and what made me sad, was the fact that all scenarios have terrain set up build in to them. So if someone does not buy the starter set, they can't really play the game with just the downloaded rules and models they already have,

Karol wrote:
From what they have shown of kill time, and what made me sad, was the fact that all scenarios have terrain set up build in to them. So if someone does not buy the starter set, they can't really play the game with just the downloaded rules and models they already have,

So just substitute terrain you have that's sort of the right shape.

Those scenario maps in the Kill Team: The Game You’ve Been Waiting For article are the same as the scenario maps they've put in every scenario ... ever. I don't think anyone expects you to set them up exactly as shown; just make something that looks about right. For example, in the Disrupt Supply Lines scenario, you want one large structure partially in one player's deployment zone, a smaller one in the other player's zone and a handful of low walls. That could be made using the new terrain, or by using assorted pieces from the defence line kits, or something of your own - Ork huts, areas of forest, Tyranid growths, etc.

Does additional rubble count as scatter terrain? What about craters? One nice thing about skirmish games is that we don't need space for big units, so it works fairly well to make thing cluttered. Those ruined bulidings are cool but I figure there should be a lot more pieces of them piled up.

Thematically, maybe pews, pulpits and reliquaries for the Sanctum and Basilica, and shelves of scrolls, books, desks, cogitators and the like for the Administratum. Maybe make some makeshift barricades out of them. A lot of those things could have plausibly burned up though.

The terrain strikes me as more of a city center than basic hab blocks and manufactorums where most Imperial citizens would live, so maybe fancier stuff like broken statues and burned trees in the courtyards and parks between buildings?

Burned out wrecked vehicles are appropriate just about anywhere. Could be a good excuse to try to model some civilian ones.

Little reliquary shrines, servitors and automata going about their business, vending machines dispensing holy tracts, steam vents (the vapour can provide cover), statuary (pick an appropriate model, paint it bronze), food stands, abandoned vehicles (you can kitbash civilian vehicles from Rhinos, Chimeras and Leman Russ chassis, as well as the Goliath and Tauros models).

 Scott-S6 wrote:

Karol wrote:
From what they have shown of kill time, and what made me sad, was the fact that all scenarios have terrain set up build in to them. So if someone does not buy the starter set, they can't really play the game with just the downloaded rules and models they already have,

So just substitute terrain you have that's sort of the right shape.

Well sort of a won't cut it, you have to have the exact same dimensions, plus half of them are used as objectives etc You would more or less have to recast or resculpt them on your own.

Nonsense. As I say, GW's scenario maps have been like this since I started playing, and I've managed to play the scenarios without having terrain that exactly matches the maps.

Where does it say you "have to have the exact same dimensions"? The image is too low-res to read the text.

Buy many of the GW skull box. Make giant piles of skulls. Success!

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Nonsense. As I say, GW's scenario maps have been like this since I started playing, and I've managed to play the scenarios without having terrain that exactly matches the maps.

Where does it say you "have to have the exact same dimensions"? The image is too low-res to read the text.

the kill team maps have the terrain pices from the starter set pre set on the scenario maps, at least those that were shown.

I know. What I'm saying is, look at any other scenario map. The ones in the 40k rulebook, or Age of Sigmar, or Lord of the Rings, or any game going right back to the scenarios in 3rd edition Warhammer and 1st edition 40k - they all show buildings and other terrain features on the maps, and it doesn't matter if your set up isn't 100% identical - unless the scenario specifically says to set it up exactly as the map, which is what I meant by saying the text is not readable . You're worrying about something that just isn't an issue.

The map shows you the layout using the terrain included in the box ... because it's what's in the box. If you buy the box, no big deal - you're good to go. If you didn't buy the box, just do the best you can with what you have.

Even for those who do buy the box and build the terrain that way, I would expect them to vary the setup to make the games more interesting rather than playing exactly the same setup every time.

Getting out my magnifier glass (for ants!), the scenario on their preview page says, "Create the battlefield and setup terrain. An example of how you might do this is shown below." So it's just an example, you should be good with whatever terrain you own. It would be boring if you had to use the same table setup all the time anyway, I would want to change it around even with buying the box and getting the official terrain.

Thanks for the ideas guys, the Puppetswar website has some neat stuff, and of course the cars at Wargame Exclusive would be nice to put on the table. I might try to scratch build some street signs, garbage cans, fire hydrants/power supplies, maybe some broken down street cleaning machines.

Check out the last page of the toys with wargaming use thread over in Dakka Discussions. They’ve found some neat toys that can work as odd mechanicum street decor.

Also Inasaniak on the Maelstroms Edge forum herein Dakka has done an awful lot of fantastic.scatter terrain with simple.bits.

If you want sci fi city scales.then there are various places selling scatter terrain for Infinity with boxes and barricades.

Someone recently posted some smash-it-yourself jersey barriers with integral wire reinforcement (genius stuff).

Plastcraft do some amazing high tech but super cheap and simple containers in various sizes.

The Terraincrate kits from Many if always look pretty good.for scatter bits as well.

Basically, go to Wayland Games and browse through the terrain and scenery tab




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Oh yeah. TTCombat have a fantastic resin scatter terrain and detail series for.modern and near future slums. Knackered bins, mattresses and old.washing machines galore

Karol wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

Karol wrote:
From what they have shown of kill time, and what made me sad, was the fact that all scenarios have terrain set up build in to them. So if someone does not buy the starter set, they can't really play the game with just the downloaded rules and models they already have,

So just substitute terrain you have that's sort of the right shape.

Well sort of a won't cut it, you have to have the exact same dimensions, plus half of them are used as objectives etc You would more or less have to recast or resculpt them on your own.

From the missions that have been shown that really isn't the case. The terrain shown is just an idea of how it might be laid out.

And if you demand terrain exactly like shown on the mission sheet? A few sheets of foamcore and ten minutes with a sharp knife and some glue will solve that problem.

You're always putting obstacles in your own way.

So, anything that obscures a model at all gives a -1 to hit.

There are mechanics for terrain slowing movement (don't know the details yet) and there are (predicatably) kill zone specific terrain rules.

Still, that obscured rule means that virtually any scatter terrain is going to do something useful.

For scatter terrain, check out Micro Arts Studios.

https://shop.microartstudio.com/en/261-resin

https://shop.microartstudio.com/en/161-hdf

Also armor cast.

https://www.armorcast.com/sci-fi/general-sci-fi