Warhammer {{{40k}}} Quest - Blackstone Fortress

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**JWBS**

Yodhrin wrote:
Very promising, but it's the enemies that will sell me on this box - if we get Primaris-sized Chaos Marines and a selection of new & interesting gribblies then sold.

Starfarer wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
Perfect Organism wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
I'm kinda excited about this but also hesitant. GW has a bad history of supporting this kind of game.

What kind of support would you want for a game like this? It's a board game, complete in itself.

For them to keep it and its accessories available and support it in store. The hero cards for silver tower got dropped from the US webstore before I could get them. And that was a long time ago. Or at the least it feels like a while ago.

They would continue to support it if people were buying it. The cards got dropped because they stopped selling. If you didn't get around to buying them for the year they were out that's kinda on you. Seems a lot of people have these "I'll buy that one day" items that they never actually buy then get upset when GW discontinues them because they aren't selling.

No business can afford to keep dead stock either on their shelf or warehouse. I can promise you GW has a team analyzing what is selling and what isn't and they don't stop carrying something just because.

I know this is an alien concept to some people, but a few of us have to operate on this thing called a "budget" which is, shockingly, not infinite and requires we prioritise spending. Finding out about a GW product and thinking "I can treat myself to that at next Christmas/[insert alternative festive event here]", then being disappointed when it randomly vanishes a few months later is hardly unreasonable.

Besides which - forget all the back & forth about whether or not GW was justified in removing items like this from sale entirely, or what the real point of Direct Only is if it doesn't actually result in GW keeping niche stuff up for sale: why does keeping this stuff available have to mean selling the physical objects? They're cards, so have The Office Intern spend an afternoon bodging the source files together into a print-ready PDF and give us that instead - no stock to keep on hand, no logistics to care about, and barely any effort whatsoever. I mean hell, GW used to do that with whole rulebooks and give them away for free, these days they could probably get away with selling people the cards and yet they just dump them.

There are always ways GW could keep supporting these systems, they just don't want to, and that's what folk object to.

Hey man I get you. Like most people, I'm constrained by finite financial resources. I wonder though, do you have the same concept of "lack of support" when say, Ikea stops selling the table lamps that match the rug in your bedroom? Or do you just shrug your shoulders, like most people, and think "Maybe I should have bought it while I could."? In a way, Ikea are dropping support for the aesthetic that you've bought into, but can you criticise this decision on their part, whether or not your own personal budget has a bearing on your purchasing decisions?

**JWBS**

Yodhrin wrote:
JWBS wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Very promising, but it's the enemies that will sell me on this box - if we get Primaris-sized Chaos Marines and a selection of new & interesting gribblies then sold.

Starfarer wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
Perfect Organism wrote:
Thargrim wrote:
I'm kinda excited about this but also hesitant. GW has a bad history of supporting this kind of game.

What kind of support would you want for a game like this? It's a board game, complete in itself.

For them to keep it and its accessories available and support it in store. The hero cards for silver tower got dropped from the US webstore before I could get them. And that was a long time ago. Or at the least it feels like a while ago.

They would continue to support it if people were buying it. The cards got dropped because they stopped selling. If you didn't get around to buying them for the year they were out that's kinda on you. Seems a lot of people have these "I'll buy that one day" items that they never actually buy then get upset when GW discontinues them because they aren't selling.

No business can afford to keep dead stock either on their shelf or warehouse. I can promise you GW has a team analyzing what is selling and what isn't and they don't stop carrying something just because.

I know this is an alien concept to some people, but a few of us have to operate on this thing called a "budget" which is, shockingly, not infinite and requires we prioritise spending. Finding out about a GW product and thinking "I can treat myself to that at next Christmas/[insert alternative festive event here]", then being disappointed when it randomly vanishes a few months later is hardly unreasonable.

Besides which - forget all the back & forth about whether or not GW was justified in removing items like this from sale entirely, or what the real point of Direct Only is if it doesn't actually result in GW keeping niche stuff up for sale: why does keeping this stuff available have to mean selling the physical objects? They're cards, so have The Office Intern spend an afternoon bodging the source files together into a print-ready PDF and give us that instead - no stock to keep on hand, no logistics to care about, and barely any effort whatsoever. I mean hell, GW used to do that with whole rulebooks and give them away for free, these days they could probably get away with selling people the cards and yet they just dump them.

There are always ways GW could keep supporting these systems, they just don't want to, and that's what folk object to.

Hey man I get you. Like most people, I'm constrained by finite financial resources. I wonder though, do you have the same concept of "lack of support" when say, Ikea stops selling the table lamps that match the rug in your bedroom? Or do you just shrug your shoulders, like most people, and think "Maybe I should have bought it while I could."? In a way, Ikea are dropping support for the aesthetic that you've bought into, but can you criticise this decision on their part, whether or not your own personal budget has a bearing on your purchasing decisions?

Yes, because those two things are entirely equivalent.

Come on man, at least put some vague effort into your snark.

Or, you know, really stretch yourself and attempt to counter the argument rather than strapping some Dakkajet engines to those goalposts and going for a joyride.

Ok. You seem entirely too hostile. I wasn't going for snark at all, but whatever. Edit / If you really can't shake your snese of entitlement and expect GW to ignore the rules of commerce that we generally accept from other retailers, I suggest you "spend an afternoon bodging the source files together into a print-ready PDF". Or maybe try ebay.

**JWBS**

Leggy wrote:
I'm backing the theory that giant robot dude is a squat in Exo Armour. The tech looks very human, but lacks the skulls and aquilas and gothic touches of Imperial/Admech Tech. It looks like a mix between a Terminator, a Kastellian and a old time diving suit.
Moreover, it's grouped with the Abhumans and rogues, not the Xenos, which I feel removes the possibility of it being Tau or a new species.
So to me, it's either a Squat (same root technology as humans) or a very wealthy merc.

Could be a Quietude (ok not really, but Squat also super unlikey imo)
https://www.deviantart.com/dukeleto/art/Olamic-Robust-195614800

**JWBS**

Motograter wrote:
Size of new chaos minis has increased

bout fething time. Do you think that Bellisius Shawl, the infamous dark mechanicus genius, has decided to unleash them after 10k years of incomprehensible indecision?

**JWBS**

Chikout wrote:
Australia and New Zealand both got slightly cheaper than usual prices than usual for this. No such luck in Japan unfortunately. Here it is the equivalent of £146.
Still tempted though. The rules look genuinely interesting and a nice step up from Silver Tower.

Why better than ST? FOr the rules? (I just bought ST, I liked the minis, not too fussed about th card stock and rules set). Or betetr value? More fun? Or something else?

**JWBS**

Couldn't agree more. They could have gotten £25 out of me for the Zoat, but they're pricing it at like £50?? + card, so instead of £25 they're getting noting. Many other people have made the same choice as I have and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what killed BSF.

**JWBS**

Yes, it's £37.50, some online retailers have it for pre-order (Deadly Alliance).

**JWBS**

I think it probably would have all stuck had the prices been a bit lower though, the game has some great minis, nice setting / fluff, a more self-contained board game style for people that want it. Even the Nurgle xpac would have been completely acceptable had it been good value but they've just overpriced everything. I want the Zoat and I've spent loads on minis since the covid situation started but I've skipped the Zoat and I doubt I'll ever buy it.

**JWBS**

I suppose the BSF autopsy should be held here though since that discussion isn't worthy of a new thread. My view has already been expressed - looked very cool, too expensive though. If they make the minis available separately I'll be very pleased, depending on price. I don't see why they wouldn't but it's entirely possible.