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Sabotage! wrote: I'd personally be upset if new Chaos Marines weren't Primaris size. Having Cadians out-bulk the current models makes them pretty unimposing.
That's as much a reason for smaller Cadians as it is for larger Chaos Marines... Or moreso, depending on your point of view regarding model scale, really.
It might have been, twelve years ago. Now that we've had Chaos Cultists, Skitarii, GSC, N17 gangs etc the reality is that even Cadians are undersized(and with worse proportions) - the "Marines have to get bigger" side of the argument is pretty unarguably right at this point.
I just hope if they do make them bigger, they go all the way and actually make them Primaris size, rather than the not-quite-Primaris size of the new Death Guard. I know they want to maintain the fiction that Primaris are their own separate thing rather than a replacement, but it's annoying having to figure out how to modify new-style monopose plastics without having to resculpt tons of detail for the sake of small changes in height and proportion.
Personally I really only play skirmish versions of 40k, and I only use Primaris marines because I like the scale of them. Though in my games they are just "marines (as I fluffwise I think marines should have 2 wounds and be physically larger), and the old small marines don't exist. In GW's case they really can't do this, so they had to come up with a silly fluff reason why Primaris exist. I'm pretty sure GW would have squatted normal marines if so many players hadn't invested so much time/ money in buying/building/ and painting them (and I'm glad they didn't). Because with the scale of all the new miniatures they are putting out the old marines just don't really fit in.
I also agree with having the new Chaos full Primaris size and not Death Guard size.
I would bet good money that regular Marines won't ever get another release (outside of repackaging existing things) and that it's all Primaris all the time from now on.
HorticulusDK wrote: Sorry if this is too threadomantic, but according to this Warhammer World article, Warhammer Quest : Blackstone Fortress will be fully operational I mean released before the 24-25 of November !
"There is also a seminar with the ’Eavy Metal team, who will be fielding questions and discussing how the miniatures for Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress were painted"
"You can even try out Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress!"
Nice catch, I wonder if that means they will reveal it at Spiel this next weekend or what. I kind of have feeling we'll be seeing it, Delaque , and the next Blood Bowl team, and the next AoS army and the new Slaanesh stuff the following weekend at Blood and Glory.
That’s a hell of a lot, all to come before Christmas?
I’d say the Slaanesh stuff; codex and Battletome with any non daemon releases for them would come January.
Realms of Chaos. Blood Bowl. Delaque. Blackstone Fortress.
That could be all of November and a bit of December.
Then Christmas releases.
Though thinking on it, yeah I suppose it would all fit. Depends how many things are coming for Slaanesh..
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though the previews there have to have substance so the more I think about it..
And it wouldn’t have to all be released this year if previewed.
Though I think it would be
I personally don't think we'll see it all this year.
My gut inclination (I have nothing really backing most of this up) is:
We'll get Blood Bowl and Necromunda in November (this is pretty much a given considering the BB team confirmed a 4th team this year and the Necro team said all gangs would be out by the end of the year).
We'll get Realm of Chaos mid November with nothing released alongside it.
Blackstone will be out the first weekend in December with preorders the weekend of the weekender.
January we will get the next AoS army (I'm pretty certain it will be Moonclan, as apparently they had their release slot swapped with BoC and they just had their Shadespire band come out)
Feb/March: We'll get the Slaanesh/Khorne plastics from Realm of Chaos repacked alongside a new Keeper of Secrets. With a Slaanesh book and mortals for both game systems in the next month or two - though maybe Darkoath for AoS first.
a Repack, if it might happen that close to the box release, would go alongside the release of a battle tome and/or codex. Honestly, my bet would be that we see Slaanesh for AoS teased during the Christmas break, with a release in January and 40k EmpChild in February. March could be Darkoath, but as that would make 3 uninterrupted months of chaos - a dream, IMO - Moonclan would be more likely. if April is back to 40k it might either give us SoB (very early date of arrival) or something Eldari* to counter Her who thirsts narrativ-wise,
*=personal wish would be exodites, who came out of hiding due to a rising strength of Slaanesh and the talks about the savoir god of Eldar
Sabotage! wrote: Personally I really only play skirmish versions of 40k, and I only use Primaris marines because I like the scale of them. Though in my games they are just "marines (as I fluffwise I think marines should have 2 wounds and be physically larger), and the old small marines don't exist. In GW's case they really can't do this, so they had to come up with a silly fluff reason why Primaris exist. I'm pretty sure GW would have squatted normal marines if so many players hadn't invested so much time/ money in buying/building/ and painting them (and I'm glad they didn't). Because with the scale of all the new miniatures they are putting out the old marines just don't really fit in.
I also agree with having the new Chaos full Primaris size and not Death Guard size.
I am with you completely, except for doing away with the old marines. I believe it is in the very first book of the Horus Heresy series (though certainly by book 3), that the Emperor's marines brought war to a lost human colony. This culture still had functioning STC production facilities. All of their soldiers were geared in space marine armor, though the soldiers were normal humans. I am working my old marines to be that type of lost human culture that have access to marine armor.
amazingturtles wrote:Well, I'm one of the people who enjoyed both silver tower and hammerhal, so this is looking interesting at least.
Though honestly one of the things i liked about silver tower is the odd mix of heroes you could have, something that just doesn't work as well with the 40k setting.
A new Blackstone fortress is something that nearly every faction in the game would have an interest in. So the fluff is certainly there to have a wide variety of "heroes". Although IMO if GW wanted to really blow peoples minds the game could have the CSM as part of its hero line up, with the majority of its monsters being pre fall Eldar constructs.
zend wrote: New Abaddon/undivided CSMs is all but confirmed at this point, rumors have had them being shown after the orks releases since like June and earlier this year someone asked about Abaddon at a panel and the answer was pretty much "you'll know more towards the end of the year".
I'm ok with Primaris sized CSMs as long as the sculpts and poses aren't Khorne Berserkers or flying baby carriage tier of garbage.
Wonder what's the explanation for in-universe size increase then
zend wrote: New Abaddon/undivided CSMs is all but confirmed at this point, rumors have had them being shown after the orks releases since like June and earlier this year someone asked about Abaddon at a panel and the answer was pretty much "you'll know more towards the end of the year".
I'm ok with Primaris sized CSMs as long as the sculpts and poses aren't Khorne Berserkers or flying baby carriage tier of garbage.
Wonder what's the explanation for in-universe size increase then
The warp.
Or there could be a reason that of all character's Fabius has been getting so much attention lately. Dude's been trying to do this for like 7 editions now. Could be they're getting the lead in primaris didn't.
Hopefully the "excuse" will be the same one they used for everything for thirty years, before they vanished up their own
"ongoing narrative" backsides - "What? No no, they've always been that size. What do you mean, 'Space Marines haven't organised that way since the Heresy'? Of course the Codex had provision for alternate squad formations that kind of resemble the Heresy ones, Rowboat Girlyman was a tactical genius!". They've already jumped the shark(on a jet-powered monster truck trailing flaming banners and gaking fireworks) with Normie Marines, but there's no reason they have to keep doing it with Ebil Marines.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
To be fair, the primaris have had an ahe old lead in, in the form of the cursed founding, and how its tampering with the geneseed was an attempt to improve the Astartes. It just wasnt used, though I would love a retcon connecting it tp cawl.
Yodhrin wrote: Hopefully the "excuse" will be the same one they used for everything for thirty years, before they vanished up their own
"ongoing narrative" backsides - "What? No no, they've always been that size. What do you mean, 'Space Marines haven't organised that way since the Heresy'? Of course the Codex had provision for alternate squad formations that kind of resemble the Heresy ones, Rowboat Girlyman was a tactical genius!". They've already jumped the shark(on a jet-powered monster truck trailing flaming banners and gaking fireworks) with Normie Marines, but there's no reason they have to keep doing it with Ebil Marines.
Chaos making stuff bigger and meaner has been canon for thirty odd years. I'm pretty sure that's been their reasoning for the other CSM getting bigger this edition.
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Yodhrin wrote: Hopefully the "excuse" will be the same one they used for everything for thirty years, before they vanished up their own
"ongoing narrative" backsides - "What? No no, they've always been that size. What do you mean, 'Space Marines haven't organised that way since the Heresy'? Of course the Codex had provision for alternate squad formations that kind of resemble the Heresy ones, Rowboat Girlyman was a tactical genius!". They've already jumped the shark(on a jet-powered monster truck trailing flaming banners and gaking fireworks) with Normie Marines, but there's no reason they have to keep doing it with Ebil Marines.
Chaos making stuff bigger and meaner has been canon for thirty odd years. I'm pretty sure that's been their reasoning for the other CSM getting bigger this edition.
Thing is there's no real need for reasoning, they should just make the models the size they always should have been without tying the fiction into knots to justify something that doesn't need in-fiction justification.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
When new Rubric, Beast of Chaos, new Greater Demons and new Plague Marines did come out much bigger there was 0 reasons to explain that size increase. They don't do that when they actualice a model. It was always supposed to be like that.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Yodhrin wrote: Hopefully the "excuse" will be the same one they used for everything for thirty years, before they vanished up their own
"ongoing narrative" backsides - "What? No no, they've always been that size. What do you mean, 'Space Marines haven't organised that way since the Heresy'? Of course the Codex had provision for alternate squad formations that kind of resemble the Heresy ones, Rowboat Girlyman was a tactical genius!". They've already jumped the shark(on a jet-powered monster truck trailing flaming banners and gaking fireworks) with Normie Marines, but there's no reason they have to keep doing it with Ebil Marines.
Chaos making stuff bigger and meaner has been canon for thirty odd years. I'm pretty sure that's been their reasoning for the other CSM getting bigger this edition.
Thing is there's no real need for reasoning, they should just make the models the size they always should have been without tying the fiction into knots to justify something that doesn't need in-fiction justification.
Except now that primaris are out there if chaos marines are primaris marine sized then chaos marines are no longer in-universe space marine sized but instead custodian sized like primaris.
I have a strange feeling that Slaanesh will be pushed into January actually. They teased the Fiend because there was a big leak. The same thing happened with Rogue Trader and that didn't come out for months after the initial leak.
Nothing will be ‘pushed’ for sure. The dates they have are planned well in advance.
There’s always some talk of stuff getting moved but the reality is production is looking at the things for March/April onwards now.
But also the Fiends are what’s rumored to be/ are from Realms Of Chaos, which Is November-December release.
Slaanesh as a release was always going to be 2019 I’d expect (though technically could fit this year if mostly just book releases and 1/2 new things per game system..
Thing is there's no real need for reasoning, they should just make the models the size they always should have been without tying the fiction into knots to justify something that doesn't need in-fiction justification.
That's what they've done with Thousand Sons, Plague Marines, and even the Deathwatch. The scaling issues were all a millimeter here and there across all the ranges and they seem to be trying to better align to a consistent scale. They haven't needed in-fiction justification, but the new fiction has been read into that way.
I think you have misplaced feelings to conflate the introduction of Primaris, an advancement of the setting, with fixing the scale. Primaris' impact to scale was simply that by introducing new bigger marines that aren't that much bigger, it meant GW had to look at the scale of all the non-primaris marine stuff.
When you look at the scale issue we had basic marines were slightly under proportioned and thus undersized, and we had cadians and catachans which always stand in as "standard" humans but by GW's admission intentionally oversized for the sake of painting eyes. In comparison of one to the other it came to about a 3mm discrepancy. When people converted "true scale" marines they typically added 3mm to basic. However at least 1mm of that discrepancy was really on the IG side. Now all the newest non-Primaris marines and chaos marines are ~2mm taller.
Doesnt the fluff say that Cawl made Primaris from all 20 geneseed stocks but Roboute made him destroy or leave the rebel ones in stasis?
I thought it was a wink wink nudge nudge to allow more Space Marine chapters with Blood Raven like "unknown Primarch" backstories but it could just as easily allow for escaped or Renegade Primaris.
The Warhammer Community site just teased a little bit more about Blackstone Fortress:
“Also landing in time for Christmas will be one of the most anticipated releases of the year land, with Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress. In this new game, you’ll have the chance to dive into one of the 41st Millennium darkest mysteries in thrilling cooperative adventures.
Working with your friends, you’ll choose from a cast of heroes and battle your way to the heart of a Blackstone fortress in search of glory and secrets… (also, monsters).
We’re incredibly excited to share Blackstone Fortress with you guys – this is a roleplaying boardgame of exploration and adventure unlike anything you’ve seen before – and includes some new Warhammer 40,000 models that you will not believe… For now, suffice to say, you should save a space on your Christmas list for this one.
We’ll have more details on all of these releases, and more, for you soon.”
amazingturtles wrote: "They've always been that size, you were just looking at them from further away before"
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
I'm kinda excited about this but also hesitant. GW has a bad history of supporting this kind of game. They already dropped silver tower and hammerhal from production and those aren't even that old. My lgs is a GW so if this is yet another game I can't play in store then that's no good either.
It would be cool if they had blank cards or a template where you could make your own whq characters. Whatever though, I expect the models for this to be revealed during the coming weekend.
They're more likely to release a Hero Card set that contains rules for all the Primaris Imperial character models that currently exist in plastic (and that aren't regular Marines).
And yes, expanded adversaries in Silver Tower/Hammerhal would be nice.
H.B.M.C. wrote: They're more likely to release a Hero Card set that contains rules for all the Primaris Imperial character models that currently exist in plastic (and that aren't regular Marines).
And yes, expanded adversaries in Silver Tower/Hammerhal would be nice.
But I wanna see them tiles!!!
Tiles and Bestiaries. That’s what I crave.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Thargrim wrote: I'm kinda excited about this but also hesitant. GW has a bad history of supporting this kind of game.
What kind of support would you want for a game like this? It's a board game, complete in itself.
For them to keep it and its accessories available and support it in store. The hero cards for silver tower got dropped from the US webstore before I could get them. And that was a long time ago. Or at the least it feels like a while ago.
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Thargrim wrote: I'm kinda excited about this but also hesitant. GW has a bad history of supporting this kind of game.
What kind of support would you want for a game like this? It's a board game, complete in itself.
For them to keep it and its accessories available and support it in store. The hero cards for silver tower got dropped from the US webstore before I could get them. And that was a long time ago. Or at the least it feels like a while ago.
Again: what kind of support do you expect in store?
The hero cards were on sale for over a year. When they "got dropped from the US webstore", they were still available in actual storefronts.
