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I have heard that they don't get along AT ALL. From what I've heard, Typhus essentially won't listen to Morty because Typhus knows he is held in high regard with Nurgle. So, should they even be in the same army according to the fluff?

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

Thanks

SG

I can see them joining forces once in a blue moon if Nurgle wishes it or if the stakes are high enough, (i.e. Guilliman's involved). It's similar to how Magnus and Ahriman worked together recently during the Wrath of Magnus campaign.

It would just mean they're more like competing forces rather than one being subordinate to another.

 ServiceGames wrote:
I have heard that they don't get along AT ALL. From what I've heard, Typhus essentially won't listen to Morty because Typhus knows he is held in high regard with Nurgle. So, should they even be in the same army according to the fluff?

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

Thanks

SG

Kharn doesn't get along with Abaddon, but he still fights with him. Same with Ahriman. They know that their fates will lead them to playing nice. But they are not beholden to them. Typhus can and will do what he wants, he can tell Morty to take a running jump if he wants. Though he has given his oath to Mortarion to fight in Ultramar he is enraged about having to do so, he wants to go to Terra so he employed Dragon to help him with that.

They both have Nurgle pulling their strings or influencing them in some capacity, so cooperation could just be coerced.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:
They both have Nurgle pulling their strings or influencing them in some capacity, so cooperation could just be coerced.

Not completely, the Primarchs for instance have autonomy, they haven't succumbed fully to their possession (its now seen as a possession daemon princes since Lords of silence was released, but kinda always was with Fulgrim, but the new lore has confirmed it). But if you look at deathguard they don't function completely the way Nurgle expects, they have superstitions, have done since the great crusade, like tallymen and constant quantifying is frowned on by Nurgle. Same with Abaddon, he does what ever he wants.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 gnome_idea_what wrote:
They both have Nurgle pulling their strings or influencing them in some capacity, so cooperation could just be coerced.

Not completely, the Primarchs for instance have autonomy, they haven't succumbed fully to their possession (its now seen as a possession daemon princes since Lords of silence was released, but kinda always was with Fulgrim, but the new lore has confirmed it). But if you look at deathguard they don't function completely the way Nurgle expects, they have superstitions, have done since the great crusade, like tallymen and constant quantifying is frowned on by Nurgle. Same with Abaddon, he does what ever he wants.

I thought becoming a daemon prince was having your soul tied to the god in question in the same way a daemon does. You are still you, but now part of you belongs to the god restricting what you can and can't do. I don't think a daemon prince could give the finger to their god and just walk away. They are under contract. However a mortal who has not sold their soul for daemonhood (Abbadon, Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, etc) could walk away and do their own thing as they are not owned or part of their god.

I would've thought that Mortarion would hate Typhus for what he did to the Legion. Unless I remember things wrong.

pm713 wrote:
I would've thought that Mortarion would hate Typhus for what he did to the Legion. Unless I remember things wrong.

He is jealous of him as Nurgle loves Typhus more and Typhus' arrogance because of that, plus that he doesn't show him the same respect. Mortarion decided to turn traitor before the destroyer hive so I think he would care about the legion turning to Nurgle as he knows that he was destined to turn to Nurgle.


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 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 gnome_idea_what wrote:
They both have Nurgle pulling their strings or influencing them in some capacity, so cooperation could just be coerced.

Not completely, the Primarchs for instance have autonomy, they haven't succumbed fully to their possession (its now seen as a possession daemon princes since Lords of silence was released, but kinda always was with Fulgrim, but the new lore has confirmed it). But if you look at deathguard they don't function completely the way Nurgle expects, they have superstitions, have done since the great crusade, like tallymen and constant quantifying is frowned on by Nurgle. Same with Abaddon, he does what ever he wants.

I thought becoming a daemon prince was having your soul tied to the god in question in the same way a daemon does. You are still you, but now part of you belongs to the god restricting what you can and can't do. I don't think a daemon prince could give the finger to their god and just walk away. They are under contract. However a mortal who has not sold their soul for daemonhood (Abbadon, Typhus, Kharn, Ahriman, etc) could walk away and do their own thing as they are not owned or part of their god.

Yeah that's how I've thought of them, I don't like the idea of the whole possession thing. Though Primarchs are so strong that they can overcome the possession, like Fulgrim banishing his daemon into a painting. But most normal Daemon princes are completely possessed as the new lore states.

Yeah there have been many accounts of traitors turning loyalist, in the grey knights novel a traitor turned loyal and worked for the Inquisition.

My understanding of Mortarion was he hated psykers and the disease that ravaged his legion. His turn was a desperate attempt at saving them wasn't it?

I've never been 100% on when people went full Chaos in the heresy.

pm713 wrote:
My understanding of Mortarion was he hated psykers and the disease that ravaged his legion. His turn was a desperate attempt at saving them wasn't it?

I've never been 100% on when people went full Chaos in the heresy.

Initially yes, but not now. He's like Perty, the have always been regretful but 10,000 years is enough time to get over it. Mortarion loves his plague planet and his life now as he never intended to leave it until the great rift happened and his sights on Ultramar, but he could still be pissed but doesn't seem like that from the lords of silence. .

In the DG codex it says that Typhus leaves and Morty lets him go, not wanting to be like his father. Typhus does his own thing but still comes back to work with Morty once in a while when the latter summons him. It made it seem like they did not like each other at all but were mature enough to work together when it is necessary.

Come to think about it such is an example of adult behavior that really shouldn't be as unusual as it is...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
In the DG codex it says that Typhus leaves and Morty lets him go, not wanting to be like his father. Typhus does his own thing but still comes back to work with Morty once in a while when the latter summons him. It made it seem like they did not like each other at all but were mature enough to work together when it is necessary.

Come to think about it such is an example of adult behavior that really shouldn't be as unusual as it is...

adult behavior is sadly pretty rare among people. doubly so primarchs