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Hey guys, I'm looking to refine my tournement list and want to get your thoughts between 2 lists. The first list is close to what I currently run, and has served me pretty well. But I'm not sure about the TSons supreme command detachment.

Which list do you think works best and do you have any other suggestions?

List 1:


++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Thousand Sons) [26 PL, 502pts] ++

+ HQ [26 PL, 502pts] +

Ahriman on Disc of Tzeentch [9 PL, 166pts]: Death Hex, Doombolt

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch [9 PL, 180pts]: Flickering Flames, Malefic talon [10pts], Wings [1 PL, 24pts]

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch [8 PL, 156pts]: 5. Otherworldly Prescience, Hellforged sword [10pts], Helm of the Third Eye, Warlord

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons) [40 PL, 703pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Chaos Allegiance: Chaos Undivided

Rewards of Chaos (1 Relic)

+ HQ [13 PL, 258pts] +

Changecaster [4 PL, 78pts]: Flickering Flames, Gaze of Fate

Daemon Prince of Chaos [9 PL, 180pts]: Daemonic axe [10pts], Khorne, Skullreaver, Wings [1 PL, 24pts]

+ Troops [27 PL, 445pts] +

Bloodletters [8 PL, 165pts]: 19x Bloodletter [133pts], Bloodreaper [7pts], Daemonic Icon [15pts], Instrument of Chaos [10pts]

Horrors [16 PL, 226pts]: 2x Blue Horror [10pts], 2x Pair of Brimstone Horrors [6pts], 30x Pink Horror [210pts]

Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms [54pts]

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [41 PL, 793pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Alpha Legion

+ HQ [5 PL, 74pts] +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, 74pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, No Chaos Mark

+ Heavy Support [36 PL, 719pts] +

Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought [16 PL, 329pts]: Butcher cannon array [60pts], Butcher cannon array [60pts], 2x Hellflamer [34pts]

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator [195pts]

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Tzeentch, 3x Obliterator [195pts]

++ Total: [107 PL, 1998pts] ++

Or List 2:


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons) [36 PL, 666pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Chaos Allegiance: Chaos Undivided

Rewards of Chaos (1 Relic)

+ HQ [13 PL, 258pts] +

Changecaster [4 PL, 78pts]: Flickering Flames, Gaze of Fate

Daemon Prince of Chaos [9 PL, 180pts]: Daemonic axe [10pts], Khorne, Skullreaver, Wings [1 PL, 24pts]

+ Troops [23 PL, 408pts] +

Bloodletters [8 PL, 165pts]: 19x Bloodletter [133pts], Bloodreaper [7pts], Daemonic Icon [15pts], Instrument of Chaos [10pts]

Horrors [12 PL, 189pts]: 27x Pink Horror [189pts]

Nurglings [3 PL, 54pts]: 3x Nurgling Swarms [54pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [73 PL, 1334pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Legion: Alpha Legion

+ HQ [11 PL, 172pts] +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, 74pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, No Chaos Mark

Sorcerer [6 PL, 98pts]: Bolt pistol, Force sword [8pts], Mark of Slaanesh

+ Troops [9 PL, 120pts] +

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [36pts], No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion [4pts]: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [36pts], No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion [4pts]: Autogun

Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 40pts]: 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun [36pts], No Chaos Mark
. Cultist Champion [4pts]: Autogun

+ Elites [17 PL, 323pts] +

Khorne Berzerkers [17 PL, 323pts]
. Berzerker Champion [17pts]: Chainaxe [1pts], Chainsword
. 18x Chainsword and Chainaxe [306pts]: 18x Chainaxe [18pts]

+ Heavy Support [36 PL, 719pts] +

Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought [16 PL, 329pts]: Butcher cannon array [60pts], Butcher cannon array [60pts], 2x Hellflamer [34pts]

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator [195pts]

Obliterators [10 PL, 195pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, 3x Obliterator [195pts]

++ Total: [109 PL, 2000pts] ++

List 1, why flickering flames twice? Also, I would get wings on both princes, Ahriman I have found doesn't really need a disc unless its for the +1 wound.

 Zid wrote:
List 1, why flickering flames twice? Also, I would get wings on both princes, Ahriman I have found doesn't really need a disc unless its for the +1 wound.

Because I apparently I can't use battlescribe very well lol. Yeah I modelled Ahriman that way and have pretty much regretted it since, I could easily take him off and slap a pair of wings on the DP.

I disagree, I think all your heroes need wings, including Ahriman. This said I like the lists, although I think you are making one mistake: if your opponent plays a shooty army the dreadnought will always, always die in the first turn. I think it's better to buy some more Obliterators and sthing else, otherwise you will be fairly disappointed every time you face Astra Militarum, Eldar, Dark eldar, SW Longfangs, Knights etc

 Dampyr Blackblade wrote:
I disagree, I think all your heroes need wings, including Ahriman. This said I like the lists, although I think you are making one mistake: if your opponent plays a shooty army the dreadnought will always, always die in the first turn. I think it's better to buy some more Obliterators and sthing else, otherwise you will be fairly disappointed every time you face Astra Militarum, Eldar, Dark eldar, SW Longfangs, Knights etc

Yeah it can happen but generally doesn't seem to happen too often, I've played against a list with 9 leman russ and they didn't manage to pop him till t3. I like to stick him cover at the back if possible to get that 1+ armour. But maybe more oblits or some cheap havocks would be a better alternative. I could squeeze another daemon prince possibly or a slanesh sorcerer.