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I've seen a million discussions about the next primarch to return to the 40k setting, but not much about the demon primarchs. We have the horus heresy models, to be sure, but now is the perfect opportunity to see them in all their demonic horror. Mortarion and Magnus have both been impressive models and I imagine the others would be too. Not to mention that, lore wise, they're just waiting for a good excuse to get off their thrones. No need to worry about resurrections and like the loyalist. Well... except Konrad. So give me your predictions, or tell me what you think the coolest choice would be.

How about Angron? Armageddon could do with a round two for chaos and it's already rife with warp incursions at the moment.

Fulgrim would be a good choice now that Guilliman is back. I imagine both would be rather pissed to see the other is still standing.

It would quite the twist if Lorgar came out and confessed that he had been building the Maelstrom this entire time.

It'll most likely be Angron so GW can say they have one for each chaos god. Just like how Archaon's mount in AoS has 3 heads, one for each chaos god. Like how the chaos daemons codex shows 3 soul grinders in the photo for them, one for each chaos god. For some reason I have this nagging feeling that GW are forgetting something. Oh right, Malal they won't be bringing him back though. Pretty sure there are no other major chaos gods.

Apart from the one making comeback this year with new models.


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But yeah Angron or Fulgrim. Angron fits with what Hastings said who named first 5 primarch to be released which is lacking still Russ and Angron.

We'll see Angron and Fulgrim for sure. Slaanesh isn't going anywhere. We have a confirmed Khorne/Slaanesh game coming and many recent rumor engine pics look very Slaaneshey.

I'd like to see Lorgar return. The codex said he has left his isolation and is leading a massive force of Word Bearers. The narrative opportunities alone between him and Guilliman are worth it alone.

"So brother, commanding the forces of our father I see. Look at all these devout followers you've surrounded yourself with. I am glad that now at the end of his sad dream you have at least accepted his divinity."

 Eldarain wrote:
We'll see Angron and Fulgrim for sure. Slaanesh isn't going anywhere. We have a confirmed Khorne/Slaanesh game coming and many recent rumor engine pics look very Slaaneshey.

I'd like to see Lorgar return. The codex said he has left his isolation and is leading a massive force of Word Bearers. The narrative opportunities alone between him and Guilliman are worth it alone.

"So brother, commanding the forces of our father I see. Look at all these devout followers you've surrounded yourself with. I am glad that now at the end of his sad dream you have at least accepted his divinity."

I think Lorgar could be the most intreasting deamon primarch, narrativly speaking, to bring into play. for a whole HOST of reasons.

In a way Lorgar has been vindicated the emperor is now worshipped as divine what does he think about this whole situation? does he find it hilarious, regrettable that so many are "blinded by his error"? will he attempt, one last time to reason Gulliman over to Chaos"you once where devoted to bringing the truth to the galaxy brother, I respected it, yet surely you can see the rot and the lie you now defend I ask nothing more but your embrace truth, something you have so long prided yourself on" etc


or maybe Lorgar in an act of ultimate irony will start targeting Shrine worlds within Ultramar and destroying them?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
We'll see Angron and Fulgrim for sure. Slaanesh isn't going anywhere. We have a confirmed Khorne/Slaanesh game coming and many recent rumor engine pics look very Slaaneshey.

I'd like to see Lorgar return. The codex said he has left his isolation and is leading a massive force of Word Bearers. The narrative opportunities alone between him and Guilliman are worth it alone.

"So brother, commanding the forces of our father I see. Look at all these devout followers you've surrounded yourself with. I am glad that now at the end of his sad dream you have at least accepted his divinity."

I think Lorgar could be the most intreasting deamon primarch, narrativly speaking, to bring into play. for a whole HOST of reasons.

In a way Lorgar has been vindicated the emperor is now worshipped as divine what does he think about this whole situation? does he find it hilarious, regrettable that so many are "blinded by his error"? will he attempt, one last time to reason Gulliman over to Chaos"you once where devoted to bringing the truth to the galaxy brother, I respected it, yet surely you can see the rot and the lie you now defend I ask nothing more but your embrace truth, something you have so long prided yourself on" etc


or maybe Lorgar in an act of ultimate irony will start targeting Shrine worlds within Ultramar and destroying them?

From what I understand Lorgar hates the religion of the imperium and hates that they're basically using his writings as their bible.

There's actually been loads of debate about Daemon Primarchs on here. Maybe not especially recently because there's nothing particularly new to add to it I guess...

Anyway, general consensus is yes Angron is most likely next. Rumours are even saying possibly December for some new World Eaters stuff, so could be then. But we really don't know yet, so take it all with a grain of salt!

It's a toss up between Angron and Fulgrim I think.

My personal preference would be Fulgrim alongside a big release of EC chaos marines and Slaanesh daemons.

Personally I’d so much mor prefer they released lorgar and peturabo and revive chaos undivided as a faction, they could even make peturabo a part of a dark mechanicus release to add even more models

Obviously the Lion

Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

 IronBrand wrote:
It'll most likely be Angron so GW can say they have one for each chaos god. Just like how Archaon's mount in AoS has 3 heads, one for each chaos god. Like how the chaos daemons codex shows 3 soul grinders in the photo for them, one for each chaos god. For some reason I have this nagging feeling that GW are forgetting something. Oh right, Malal they won't be bringing him back though. Pretty sure there are no other major chaos gods.

You... are aware that GW just announced a release for Slaanesh right? Technically Age of Sigmar stuff but when Tzeentch and Nurgle got their Fantasy releases all of that stuff got ported to Sci-Fi and their respective SM legions got stuff too. Fulgrim and new Noise Marines would be nice, for sure.

Nah people think GW will ignore Slaanesh releases even after GW has released slaanesh models.

tneva82 wrote:
Nah people think GW will ignore Slaanesh releases even after GW has released slaanesh models.

you joke but we've seen that kind of thing, I seem to recall seeing people complaining Xenos never got any love after we got 3 back to back Xenos releases.

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Nah people think GW will ignore Slaanesh releases even after GW has released slaanesh models.

you joke but we've seen that kind of thing, I seem to recall seeing people complaining Xenos never got any love after we got 3 back to back Xenos releases.

Who says I joke?-)

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:
It'll most likely be Angron so GW can say they have one for each chaos god. Just like how Archaon's mount in AoS has 3 heads, one for each chaos god. Like how the chaos daemons codex shows 3 soul grinders in the photo for them, one for each chaos god. For some reason I have this nagging feeling that GW are forgetting something. Oh right, Malal they won't be bringing him back though. Pretty sure there are no other major chaos gods.

You... are aware that GW just announced a release for Slaanesh right? Technically Age of Sigmar stuff but when Tzeentch and Nurgle got their Fantasy releases all of that stuff got ported to Sci-Fi and their respective SM legions got stuff too. Fulgrim and new Noise Marines would be nice, for sure.

Well yeah I know stuff is coming but Archaon's mount being 3 headed will always annoy me. The thing with the soul grinders is baffling but much less annoying than making Archaon's mount 3 headed.

Wouldn't be surprising if GW will use Slaanesh release to rerelease Archon. Now with even BIGGER and FOUR HEADED mount!

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

I really wish this wasn't so on the nose. GW gives way, WAY too much attention to Khorne.
Still, there have been some clues, like that "front lines Imperial standard, I can't remember the name news letter" that reported a large snake like creature rolling through Guardsman during the Gathering Storm.
Fulgrim would also be a new type of model, rather than Angron who would basically just be a Blood Thirster.

But we won't likely see either until after a 2nd Loyalist Primarch returns

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 Galef wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

I really wish this wasn't so on the nose. GW gives way, WAY too much attention to Khorne.
Still, there have been some clues, like that "front lines Imperial standard, I can't remember the name news letter" that reported a large snake like creature rolling through Guardsman during the Gathering Storm.
Fulgrim would also be a new type of model, rather than Angron who would basically just be a Blood Thirster.

But we won't likely see either until after a 2nd Loyalist Primarch returns

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But why should GW give different factions the same level of attention when they have different popularity?

Sure, Slaanesh could use a little more love (lol), but Khorne has always been a more popular god and so of course will get more attention.

Stux wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galef wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

I really wish this wasn't so on the nose. GW gives way, WAY too much attention to Khorne.
Still, there have been some clues, like that "front lines Imperial standard, I can't remember the name news letter" that reported a large snake like creature rolling through Guardsman during the Gathering Storm.
Fulgrim would also be a new type of model, rather than Angron who would basically just be a Blood Thirster.

But we won't likely see either until after a 2nd Loyalist Primarch returns

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But why should GW give different factions the same level of attention when they have different popularity?

Sure, Slaanesh could use a little more love (lol), but Khorne has always been a more popular god and so of course will get more attention.

I get what you are saying, but I truly feel Khorne sells more because GW puts out more Khorne products to be bought, not because Khorne is more popular. In fact, my personal experience would show Nurgle and Tzeetch to be the far most popular, which is fair as they do have plenty of variety in their ranges.
But I honestly cannot think of a single World Eaters player or Khorne Daemon player I've personally met outside of the brief Khorne Daemonkin codex (and again, that is because GW provided the army as an option).
I have, however, seen several very well done and quick frankly HUGE Emperor's Children armies over the years, despite the lack of support by GW

Most Chaos players I've personally interacted with consider Khorne to be the most basic and boring of the 4, probably in part because Khorne is GWs "go-to" faction to showcase Chaos. I mean, look at the last few Daemon and CSM codices over the last few years. Khorne on the cover (or at least a red guy).

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 Galef wrote:

Stux wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galef wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

I really wish this wasn't so on the nose. GW gives way, WAY too much attention to Khorne.
Still, there have been some clues, like that "front lines Imperial standard, I can't remember the name news letter" that reported a large snake like creature rolling through Guardsman during the Gathering Storm.
Fulgrim would also be a new type of model, rather than Angron who would basically just be a Blood Thirster.

But we won't likely see either until after a 2nd Loyalist Primarch returns

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But why should GW give different factions the same level of attention when they have different popularity?

Sure, Slaanesh could use a little more love (lol), but Khorne has always been a more popular god and so of course will get more attention.

I get what you are saying, but I truly feel Khorne sells more because GW puts out more Khorne products to be bought, not because Khorne is more popular. In fact, my personal experience would show Nurgle and Tzeetch to be the far most popular, which is fair as they do have plenty of variety in their ranges.
But I honestly cannot think of a single World Eaters player or Khorne Daemon player I've personally met outside of the brief Khorne Daemonkin codex (and again, that is because GW provided the army as an option).
I have, however, seen several very well done and quick frankly HUGE Emperor's Children armies over the years, despite the lack of support by GW

Most Chaos players I've personally interacted with consider Khorne to be the most basic and boring of the 4, probably in part because Khorne is GWs "go-to" faction to showcase Chaos. I mean, look at the last few Daemon and CSM codices over the last few years. Khorne on the cover (or at least a red guy).

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Ok, but by the same token Khorne has been somewhat under represented recently compared to TSons and DGuard.

I concede it's very difficult to be certain. But I believe Khorne captures the core essence of what people expect from Chaos and Daemons in more pure way than any of the others, and they are the one, all things equal, that people are generally drawn to first.

More serious gamers will of course be drawn to the strongest factions as time goes on, and so TSons with Magnus and Brimstones or DGuard with Morty and Poxwalkers are better represented on the table at this moment. That much is true.

Stux wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

I really wish this wasn't so on the nose. GW gives way, WAY too much attention to Khorne.
Still, there have been some clues, like that "front lines Imperial standard, I can't remember the name news letter" that reported a large snake like creature rolling through Guardsman during the Gathering Storm.
Fulgrim would also be a new type of model, rather than Angron who would basically just be a Blood Thirster.

But we won't likely see either until after a 2nd Loyalist Primarch returns

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But why should GW give different factions the same level of attention when they have different popularity?

Sure, Slaanesh could use a little more love (lol), but Khorne has always been a more popular god and so of course will get more attention.

Just like Marines then... we have done this argument to death - if you focus your advertising, marketing, development and most importantly product constantly on the same few factions year after year after year what is the chances that they sell more than alternatives if there any.

Finally GW seems to be trying to move away from this tired and dead end strategy a bit over the last few years and hope it continues

A Fulgrim model in the same vein as Morathi would be a great centrepiece unless they can come up with something more interesting for Angron?

Logar would also be interesting IMO and has plenty of followers from the all Dark Gods.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Stux wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

I really wish this wasn't so on the nose. GW gives way, WAY too much attention to Khorne.
Still, there have been some clues, like that "front lines Imperial standard, I can't remember the name news letter" that reported a large snake like creature rolling through Guardsman during the Gathering Storm.
Fulgrim would also be a new type of model, rather than Angron who would basically just be a Blood Thirster.

But we won't likely see either until after a 2nd Loyalist Primarch returns

-

But why should GW give different factions the same level of attention when they have different popularity?

Sure, Slaanesh could use a little more love (lol), but Khorne has always been a more popular god and so of course will get more attention.

Just like Marines then... we have done this argument to death - if you focus your advertising, marketing, development and most importantly product constantly on the same few factions year after year after year what is the chances that they sell more than alternatives if there any.

Finally GW seems to be trying to move away from this tired and dead end strategy a bit over the last few years and hope it continues

A Fulgrim model in the same vein as Morathi would be a great centrepiece unless they can come up with something more interesting for Angron?

Logar would also be interesting IMO and has plenty of followers from the all Dark Gods.

Yes giving focus to a faction makes it sell better, obviously. I'm not saying otherwise.

But I'm also saying that some factions are fundamentally more popular, regardless of how they are marketed.

 Galef wrote:

Stux wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galef wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Khorne hasn't had anything new for, like, two weeks, so yeah probably Angron and a massive WE release.

Then a new Sonic Weapons Sprue for Slaanesh. In 2023.

I really wish this wasn't so on the nose. GW gives way, WAY too much attention to Khorne.
Still, there have been some clues, like that "front lines Imperial standard, I can't remember the name news letter" that reported a large snake like creature rolling through Guardsman during the Gathering Storm.
Fulgrim would also be a new type of model, rather than Angron who would basically just be a Blood Thirster.

But we won't likely see either until after a 2nd Loyalist Primarch returns

-

But why should GW give different factions the same level of attention when they have different popularity?

Sure, Slaanesh could use a little more love (lol), but Khorne has always been a more popular god and so of course will get more attention.

I get what you are saying, but I truly feel Khorne sells more because GW puts out more Khorne products to be bought, not because Khorne is more popular. In fact, my personal experience would show Nurgle and Tzeetch to be the far most popular, which is fair as they do have plenty of variety in their ranges.
But I honestly cannot think of a single World Eaters player or Khorne Daemon player I've personally met outside of the brief Khorne Daemonkin codex (and again, that is because GW provided the army as an option).
I have, however, seen several very well done and quick frankly HUGE Emperor's Children armies over the years, despite the lack of support by GW

Most Chaos players I've personally interacted with consider Khorne to be the most basic and boring of the 4, probably in part because Khorne is GWs "go-to" faction to showcase Chaos. I mean, look at the last few Daemon and CSM codices over the last few years. Khorne on the cover (or at least a red guy).

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I find it helps to think of Khorne as the regional manager of a business that for some reason trades in blood and skulls. It doesn't really make to me sense otherwise. He just spends all his time sitting on the skull throne instead of going out and doing anything. He's clearly just sitting there with his glasses on reading reports making sure the bloodletters, world eaters, et al. are meeting their KPIs so he doesn't get chewed out by his boss. Also helps explain why for some reason things only happen in this galaxy and apart from the nids nothing has spilled over.

 IronBrand wrote:
Well yeah I know stuff is coming but Archaon's mount being 3 headed will always annoy me. The thing with the soul grinders is baffling but much less annoying than making Archaon's mount 3 headed.

The Slanesh part is the butt.

Me personally, I think we're going to get Fulgrim next.

Looking at it logically, the Emperor's Children line is in most need of an overhaul/update.

Firstly, basic troops: There are no all plastic noise marines, only old metal hybrid kits or more recently the finecast re-casts of the metal bits from those hybrid kits.

Secondly, no specialist units (outside of Forgeworld). No terminators, or other EC unique models or characters (not named characters, but unique single model units)

Thirdly, no new Lucius the Eternal sculpt.

Fourthly, a daemon suspiciously resembling Fulgrim is mentioned in the third book of the Gathering Storm series, "Rise of the Primarch".

Also, Fulgrim and Guilliman need to suss out things after their last meeting that put ole G-Man in stasis for ~8000 years.

I do expect Angron later, but the World Eaters model line, while admittedly is very old also, is at least all plastic, and Kharn is also recently re-sculpted as well.

I'm more curious to see which of the loyalist primarchs is returning next. The Lion, or Russ? Or... will Sanguinius revive next? Time will tell I suppose.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Me personally, I think we're going to get Fulgrim next.

Looking at it logically, the Emperor's Children line is in most need of an overhaul/update.

Firstly, basic troops: There are no all plastic noise marines, only old metal hybrid kits or more recently the finecast re-casts of the metal bits from those hybrid kits.

Secondly, no specialist units (outside of Forgeworld). No terminators, or other EC unique models or characters (not named characters, but unique single model units)

Thirdly, no new Lucius the Eternal sculpt.

Fourthly, a daemon suspiciously resembling Fulgrim is mentioned in the third book of the Gathering Storm series, "Rise of the Primarch".

Also, Fulgrim and Guilliman need to suss out things after their last meeting that put ole G-Man in stasis for ~8000 years.

I do expect Angron later, but the World Eaters model line, while admittedly is very old also, is at least all plastic, and Kharn is also recently re-sculpted as well.

I'm more curious to see which of the loyalist primarchs is returning next. The Lion, or Russ? Or... will Sanguinius revive next? Time will tell I suppose.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I was thinking the same, however it's important to note that GW probably doesn't care about your 1st, 2nd and 3rd points.
They've overlooked outdated sculpts in the past (Aspect Warriors?) so it clearly doesn't appear to be a motivation for them
Also, Slaanesh is the only Daemon faction without a plastic Greater Daemon

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'Blood for the Blood God' is a lot catchier and 10 year old friendly than 'Sex for the Sex God'.

 deviantduck wrote:
'Blood for the Blood God' is a lot catchier and 10 year old friendly than 'Sex for the Sex God'.

Also a sad commentary on our societal priorities, but that's a different discussion.

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
'Blood for the Blood God' is a lot catchier and 10 year old friendly than 'Sex for the Sex God'.

Also a sad commentary on our societal priorities, but that's a different discussion.

Agreed.

Side question: What do you think the chances would be for a dual kit of Fulgrim/ Keeper of Secrets?
Due to their different body plans, I'd seriously doubt it. I thought for sure that Magnus/Lord of Change would share a kit, but that didn't happen.

Although I guess GW already have decent alternatives. Yncarne for a Keeper and a DP torso on a Trygon tail for Fulgrim.

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