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Just seen some of the guns of the Flash Gitz, imo they looks too good and something one could expect from the empire, not some clunky impractical stuff that has been clad together by some half witz.

- barrels of a multi barreled "gatling'ish" gun should have different lengths
- have decorative non funct barrels pointing different directions

Given that they're produced by Big Mekz for a massive cost, kustomized and constantly cared for by someone who really, really loves his guns. Why would they be looking like something clad together by some half wit?

Orks aren't really half wits when it comes to their technology. They have an innate understanding of how to work their tech built into their DNA. They're basically angry impatient Jokaero.

 IronBrand wrote:
Orks aren't really half wits when it comes to their technology. They have an innate understanding of how to work their tech built into their DNA. They're basically angry impatient Jokaero.

Angry, impatient Jokaero who may also be drunk and have help from spineless Grots who are more likely to scatter at the drop of a spanner than they are to properly tighten a bolt or fetch the right cable.

Some half-wit meaning a crude and uneducated but highly intelligent creature gifted with an immense amount of technological knowledge?

If anything is going to have pointless barrels sticking in the wrong direction it's going to be something those halfwits in the Imperium made.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Some half-wit meaning a crude and uneducated but highly intelligent creature gifted with an immense amount of technological knowledge?

If anything is going to have pointless barrels sticking in the wrong direction it's going to be something those halfwits in the Imperium made.

Nah, Orks would love some Duck's foot barrel designs:


I mean, what's Orkier than having enough dakka to shoot at several things at the same time?

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Some half-wit meaning a crude and uneducated but highly intelligent creature gifted with an immense amount of technological knowledge?

If anything is going to have pointless barrels sticking in the wrong direction it's going to be something those halfwits in the Imperium made.

Probably some admech tech priest that found an STC but had it upside down, and pointing it out is tech heresy.

Very true, but those barrels are all functional.
Edit: this is in response to ClockworkZion.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Very true, but those barrels are all functional.

Well yeah, I mean the Orks are silly by design (loudeners to make guns work better for example), but they don't make things that don't fill their basic function. In the case of a gun that function is to shoot at the guy in front of you (more or less), not to the side or behind you.

Keep in mind that Orks aren't half wits or stupid, they just see the world differently.
In the 3rd edition codex (where the modern Ork backround was laid down) we are told the following in a report by a Genertor-Major Lukas Nukas Anzion;

"note there is no evidence to suggest an Ork possesses an intelligence any less than a human - cultural styles merely dictate a more straightforward approoach to problem solving and a lack of theoretical aspect and theoretical conceptualising until completion"

Also to quote the Genertor-Major once more...

"Think of the possibilities for training our own fighting forces if we could alter their genetic make-up so that they instinctively knew how to strip and clean a weapon, fight in close melee and had a rudimentary knowledge of strategy and tactics. Even with the genetically engineered Adeptus Astartes, it takes almost 10 years of intensive therepy and physical alteration to perfect what an Ork knows instinctively! Bellator Natus."

The flash gits use the best guns that money (teef) can buy in a society where literally everyone is a born soldier, so it isn't surprising that they look pretty good!

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Why would they be looking like something clad together by some half wit?

Space Hulks looks VERY clad together, Gargans doesn't have proper walking features, but like .."mowes" forward and general cladded randomly with big bulky fugly uneven armor!
Looking at their buildings there are no straight lines, but everything seems put up by kindergarten kids!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Very true, but those barrels are all functional.

Well yeah, I mean the Orks are silly by design (loudeners to make guns work better for example), but they don't make things that don't fill their basic function. In the case of a gun that function is to shoot at the guy in front of you (more or less), not to the side or behind you.

And the duck's foot pistol would fire in front of you (more or less). My morning coffee hasn't kicked in yet, so I have a feeling I'm completely missing your point.

HexHammer wrote that Snazzgunz looked too well made and that they should have decorative, non-functional barrels pointing in different directions.

HexHammer wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Why would they be looking like something clad together by some half wit?

Space Hulks looks VERY clad together, Gargans doesn't have proper walking features, but like .."mowes" forward and general cladded randomly with big bulky fugly uneven armor!
Looking at their buildings there are no straight lines, but everything seems put up by kindergarten kids!

Massive structures made from scrap will look a bit off, yeah. Their guns have never really looked as hodgepodge though.

 IronBrand wrote:
Orks aren't really half wits when it comes to their technology. They have an innate understanding of how to work their tech built into their DNA. They're basically angry impatient Jokaero.

Last I read about Orks which is admittedly VERY long time ago, I think it was something like "autistic savants with psyker abilities" ..or something.

Ork meks might be pretty stupid in some sense, but another way of looking at it is they are quick-thinking, creative, great at problem-solving and have a large amount of technical knowledge. Overall that seems pretty smart to me.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Ork meks might be pretty stupid in some sense, but another way of looking at it is they are quick-thinking, creative, great at problem-solving and have a large amount of technical knowledge. Overall that seems pretty smart to me.

And, based on one audio drama, they're full of technobabble they don't fully understand at times.

Yep, Mek Speak is a language that only meks understand, and even they don't seem to understand what they're saying often enough. Even when neither mek consciously understands what is being said, I figure it is in a weird way the subconscious minds of the meks communicating with each other. (Often enough they do seem to understand what they're talking about though.)

I've worked in IT for a long time and it often seems to me that people are more or less using mek-speak.

Ork Mek: Haz you tried turninz itz off and onz again?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Massive structures made from scrap will look a bit off, yeah. Their guns have never really looked as hodgepodge though.

So everything else but their guns looks like drunk mechanics made the thingies, their cities, navy etc etc ......all but their guns!!?

Year, that makes sense! ..ahem!

HexHammer wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Massive structures made from scrap will look a bit off, yeah. Their guns have never really looked as hodgepodge though.

So everything else but their guns looks like drunk mechanics made the thingies, their cities, navy etc etc ......all but their guns!!?

Year, that makes sense! ..ahem!

Most of their guns are crude and boxy, but they still look like guns. It's not like they have a history of having shootas with barrels so bent they fire around corners.

I mean, they are the flashiest of gitz. They krumped many teef to afford all dat dakka.

Look at their larger vehicles. The battlewagon, morkanaut, and gorkanaut are all fairly cleanly made. Hell, their flyers look like they'd actually fly- the same can't be said for the backwards technology of the Imperium's flying boxes. And of course their guns would look fantastic- these are passion projects made by meks being paid an exorbitant amount of money.

HexHammer wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Why would they be looking like something clad together by some half wit?

Space Hulks looks VERY clad together, Gargans doesn't have proper walking features, but like .."mowes" forward and general cladded randomly with big bulky fugly uneven armor!
Looking at their buildings there are no straight lines, but everything seems put up by kindergarten kids!

Space hulks are clad together.. Because they literally are. Many Space Hulks are just made from literal space hulks that were already floating out in space, typically already having collided with asteroids, other space hulks etc.

And the Gargants are also built as quasi-deity structures to look like their interpretation of Mork (or Gork)

HexHammer wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:
Orks aren't really half wits when it comes to their technology. They have an innate understanding of how to work their tech built into their DNA. They're basically angry impatient Jokaero.

Last I read about Orks which is admittedly VERY long time ago, I think it was something like "autistic savants with psyker abilities" ..or something.

Which was written once, proposed as theory by imperial scientist and other fluff has things that are flat out impossible if his theory was right

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Most of their guns are crude and boxy, but they still look like guns. It's not like they have a history of having shootas with barrels so bent they fire around corners.

GW did it the other way, instead of having bend barrels, they gave the Orks extremely low ballistic skills.


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 Vitali Advenil wrote:
Look at their larger vehicles. The battlewagon, morkanaut, and gorkanaut are all fairly cleanly made. Hell, their flyers look like they'd actually fly- the same can't be said for the backwards technology of the Imperium's flying boxes. And of course their guns would look fantastic- these are passion projects made by meks being paid an exorbitant amount of money.

The battlewagon, and morka/gorka-nauts looks like shoddy work to me, plain junk!

Deffkopta has like ZERO aerodynamics, sure it "can" fly, but not fast like any other fly would if it had some skin to smooth out things. The singular rotor models has spikes on the propellers giving it a trashy look and reduces lift, but actually reduces drag.

Other fliers has weird stuff attached weird places, reducing lift.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Space hulks are clad together.. Because they literally are. Many Space Hulks are just made from literal space hulks that were already floating out in space, typically already having collided with asteroids, other space hulks etc.

And the Gargants are also built as quasi-deity structures to look like their interpretation of Mork (or Gork)

Yes, so a Space Hulk ends up looking like orky shoddy junk. If the Imperium got their hands on such Space Hulk, they would restore the ships individually and fly them individually.

Gork and Mork doesn't look like shoddy work like Gargans do.

HexHammer wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Most of their guns are crude and boxy, but they still look like guns. It's not like they have a history of having shootas with barrels so bent they fire around corners.

GW did it the other way, instead of having bend barrels, they gave the Orks extremely low ballistic skills.

That has more to do with them only employing "deff blossom" as a strategy for hitting the enemy (or each other). With how robust an Ork's gun is I'd be shocked if a bent barrel could happen in day to day scrappin' and killin'.

HexHammer wrote:

 Vitali Advenil wrote:
Look at their larger vehicles. The battlewagon, morkanaut, and gorkanaut are all fairly cleanly made. Hell, their flyers look like they'd actually fly- the same can't be said for the backwards technology of the Imperium's flying boxes. And of course their guns would look fantastic- these are passion projects made by meks being paid an exorbitant amount of money.

The battlewagon, and morka/gorka-nauts looks like shoddy work to me, plain junk!

Deffkopta has like ZERO aerodynamics, sure it "can" fly, but not fast like any other fly would if it had some skin to smooth out things. The singular rotor models has spikes on the propellers giving it a trashy look and reduces lift, but actually reduces drag.

Other fliers has weird stuff attached weird places, reducing lift.

You forgot about this one:


Oh, and that is a metal model, so have fun building it!

I'm looking at my flash gitz right now, and I wouldn't call their snazzguns "clean". It's still clear they're made from looted parts barely held together and welded onto something rugged. They do have the boxy shape to them so that covers up the firing mechanism (which are really the only complicated part of a gun) but they don't look like something an ork couldn't make.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You forgot about this one:
[..]too big pic removed for clearance sake[..]
Oh, and that is a metal model, so have fun building it!

What did I forget?!?!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Very true, but those barrels are all functional.

Well yeah, I mean the Orks are silly by design (loudeners to make guns work better for example), but they don't make things that don't fill their basic function. In the case of a gun that function is to shoot at the guy in front of you (more or less), not to the side or behind you.

Muzzle brakes make guns louder but also reduce recoil so even that may not be that silly.

Oh, look, it's another Imperium player who can't cope with orks being good at something.

The guns of Flash Gits are the very best ork guns that can be bought for teeth. They are neither clunky, nor impractical nor clad together by a half-wit. Those are the best guns mechanical geniuses of the ork race have thought up.

No matter what they look like, big meks have repeatedly created weaponry that not only works, but outperforms imperial weaponry. Meanwhile, the Imperium can't as much as change a fuse without following a complex ritual to appease the machine spirit.