Astra Militarum: More Competitive in 8th Edition?

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**Kcalehc**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Perhaps we should make a new IG thread as we're in 9th now? Anyone trying to play catch up has 255 pages to thumb through and 99% of them are out of date now. I think it's safe to say the title alone is a bit dated.

On topic, been working a lot, not had a lot of time to digest 9th changes. I'm not liking the look of things for IG out of the gate, but I need games before I can say with certainty. At bare minimum I expect games against marines to be rough.

I have a feeling to win we're gonna need to completely rethink how we play. The old ways are dead, all hail 9th edition. Instead of lamenting the loss of vigilus and conga lines, we need to be abusing the hell out of outflanking vets/sws/command squads, the fact that morale is a bad joke so morale buffs aren't needed, and figuring out ways to punish enemies for holding the midfield.

It does not appear that you can sit back and shoot stuff to win now. I think you'll need to aggressively move up and take at least one mid board objective, preferably both, and hold them. Durable and/or mobile units that can take and hold those objectives will likely become key, Ogryns, Bullgryns, Sentinels, even Crusaders; backed up by ObSec troopers and tanks to thin the enemies that will also be rushing to do the same thing. But yes, a 9th thread should probably be started as this is virtually all old stuff here.

**Pyroalchi**

Definitly yes on a new threat. Until then: I also have some Rough riders that I wanted to count as Death Riders in 8th. Funny enough they went down 2 points in 9th, so now they are 15 with their lances while most stuff went up. It's especially interesting as they are relatively sturdy against S4 bolter fire thanks to their FNP, relatively fast, can be ordered and with a bit of luck one might get them within the +1A aura of a DKOK command squad.
The hunting lances are also (at least on paper) not bad at killing T4 W2 models or T5 W3 models.

Bonus points for the cavalry keyword allowing to trap knights and similar gimmicks that work because they are neither infantry mir vehicle.

**Bobthehero**

Of course, the one edition where Grenadiers are looking to be awesome, they're not available on FW site...

Low blow

**Trickstick**

Bobthehero wrote:
Of course, the one edition where Grenadiers are looking to be awesome, they're not available on FW site...

Low blow

It could well change at any time. You don't buy grenadiers to chase meta, you do it because of the call...

**MrMoustaffa**

Well if you guys want I can make a new one. I may not always be the most competitive player but I've been around for a while so I'll be able to add/remove relevant stuff to the OP over time.

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And here we go, 9th edition thread up and running

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/790726.page#10888054

**Trickstick**

Goodbye 8th Edition Tactica, you go to meet The Emperor now.

**Bobthehero**

Trickstick wrote:
Bobthehero wrote:
Of course, the one edition where Grenadiers are looking to be awesome, they're not available on FW site...

Low blow

It could well change at any time. You don't buy grenadiers to chase meta, you do it because of the call...

I know, it's just bad timing.

**Maxzero**

Yeah its a risk Codex wise since you don't know what GW will do in the future but a Grenadier/Thunderer build is very cost efficient.

Talking like 90 Grenadiers and 8 Thunderers. Maybe some Death Riders to mix it up.

Really basic and simple but a lot of beef.

**Dukeofstuff**

I think lambda lions is good now, I think taurox primes are solid, I believe vendettas and valkyries dropping crusaders and midsized piles of bullygryn (NOT ogryn, sheesh) is good, or even MSU scions (obsec)+ ogryn bodygaurd in the middle + 4 crusaders in a chimera is solid.

My own current thinking is to layer the transport .. then the troops // then the officers // and to use the flyers to put a second vehicle next to the officer, such that the objective gets gaurded by at least the character protected officer until someone shoots BOTH valkyries down.