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So I just bought the codex, bought the rulebook, downloaded battle scribe, and tried to make an army out of my existing collection that I think could be good.

The idea is to have the Librarian go with the Terminator squad and Deep Strike onto the field, then use Quickening to assault when he lands (hopefully). The Captain goes with the 10 man assault squad, and uses the Strategem Descent of Angels to assault when he lands, and the Sanguinary Priest goes with the Sanguinary Guard and does the same thing. The vehicles and the rest of the infantry lay down covering fire. Biggest questions I have then, are:

1) Is this list legal? I think it is... battlescribe says it is. Some of the options aren't in my Codex I got today though, so I assume that means they are rules in Chapter Approved that I don't own.

2) Do strategems work the way I think they do? Like, can I hold my 3 characters and 3 squads in reserve, and just deploy them to the field whenever I want, and use psychic powers or strategems to increase the odds of getting off a charge after I deploy them 9" away from the enemy?

Here's the list. I know it's probably not competitive, but my goal for now is to get a legal army, I can worry about making it deadlier later.


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [31 PL, 596pts] ++

+ HQ +

Librarian in Terminator Armour [8 PL, 143pts]: 1. Quickening, 4. Blood Boil, Force stave, Storm shield, The Veritas Vitae

+ Heavy Support +

Baal Predator [8 PL, 164pts]: Twin assault cannon
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Baal Predator [8 PL, 164pts]: Twin assault cannon
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Vindicator [7 PL, 125pts]

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [45 PL, 782pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Armoury of Baal: 1 additional Relic of Baal, -1 CP

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 129pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Assault Squad [11 PL, 204pts]: Jump Pack
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Melta bombs, Power axe
. 7x Space Marine w/ bolt pistol and chainsword
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Meltagun
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Meltagun

Assault Squad [9 PL, 104pts]
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword
. 3x Space Marine w/ bolt pistol and chainsword
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

Assault Squad [9 PL, 104pts]
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Chainsword
. 3x Space Marine w/ bolt pistol and chainsword
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun
. Space Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 121pts]: Hunter-killer missile
. Lascannon and twin plasma gun: Lascannon, Twin plasma gun

Razorback [5 PL, 120pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Twin assault cannon

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [43 PL, 622pts] ++

+ HQ +

Sanguinary Priest [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Pack, Power sword, The Angel's Wing (replaces jump pack), Warlord

+ Elites +

Dreadnought [7 PL, 136pts]: Twin autocannon, Twin autocannon

Sanguinary Guard [20 PL, 179pts]
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist

Terminator Assault Squad [11 PL, 217pts]
. Terminator: Lightning Claw (Pair)
. Terminator: Lightning Claw (Pair)
. Terminator
. . Thunder hammer and storm shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Terminator
. . Thunder hammer and storm shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Terminator Sergeant
. . Thunder hammer and storm shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

++ Total: [119 PL, 2000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

Wow, you have pretty much picked the worst units there are for BA. Keep in mind you can only deepstrike turn 2. This means all your units not on the battlefield will do nothing turn 1. Only good thing is they cant be harmed. BA are very CP hungry, a battalion would be a good idea. I suggest you read the BA tactics thread in the 40 k tactics section : https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/746294.page

Lets start with the libby in termi armor, replace him with chief librarian mephiston, he is better in almost every way for the same points. Baal preds are overcosted, replace them with razorbacks with twin AC. This will save you 100 points. Vindicator is bad, only 24" range, and D3 shots. Replace it with a dev squad with PC, HB, LC, ML and cherub to get access to flakk missile and hellfire shells. Captain is fine, good choice. Replace the assault squads with inceptors/scout bikes/JP veterans. No meltaguns, only plasma. Razorbacks, another good choice. If you run sang guard you need a sang ancient (replace the sang priest with him) with the standard of sacrifice, make him your warlord, and sang guard can re-roll failed hit rolls. Terminators are another bad choice, especially the CC variant. Very expensive and slow. If you fail your 9" charge (your chance of making it is only 28%) they will sit around doing nothing. Your opponent will either ignore them, or will shoot them.

Yes, your list is legal, you can deepstrike in turn 2 or 3 (any unit not deepstriking after turn 3 is destroyed) and use stratagems/psychic powers to help making charges. But keep in mind, every stratagem only once per phase, and every psychic power also only once per psychic phase.

Thanks for the feedback. I am unfortunately limited to models I own at this point (won't be buying more BA things, will probably start working on bulking up my Guard forces and adding a Knight while I slowly phase out the BA). I haven't played in a terribly long time, so I'm really just trying to get a legal army together that I can fight against other people with to get back into the game.

That said, here's a second list attempt. Major changes are removing the Vindicator and Las/PLas razorback to add a Stormraven to ferry my terminators around, adding Vanguard vets for my Captain to hang out with, adding a Sanguinary Ancient to the Sanguinary Guard, and swapping the assault marines for Tac marines so I can get the extra CP from the Batallion.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [76 PL, 1499pts] ++

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 129pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Librarian in Terminator Armour [8 PL, 143pts]: 2. Unleash Rage, 4. Blood Boil, Force stave, Storm shield

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [5 PL, 75pts]
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Heavy bolter
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol and boltgun

Tactical Squad [5 PL, 86pts]
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Plasma cannon
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol and boltgun

Tactical Squad [5 PL, 75pts]
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine (Heavy weapon): Heavy bolter
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol and boltgun

+ Elites +

Terminator Assault Squad [11 PL, 217pts]
. Terminator
. . Thunder hammer and storm shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Terminator
. . Thunder hammer and storm shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. Terminator: Lightning Claw (Pair)
. Terminator: Lightning Claw (Pair)
. Terminator Sergeant
. . Thunder hammer and storm shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Heavy Support +

Baal Predator [8 PL, 164pts]: Twin assault cannon
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Baal Predator [8 PL, 164pts]: Twin assault cannon
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

+ Flyer +

Stormraven Gunship [15 PL, 332pts]: 2x Stormstrike missile launcher, Twin assault cannon, Twin multi-melta

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 114pts]: Twin assault cannon

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [47 PL, 497pts] ++

+ HQ +

Sanguinary Priest [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Pack, Power sword

+ Elites +

Sanguinary Ancient [6 PL, 99pts]: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword, Warlord

Sanguinary Guard [20 PL, 179pts]
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine axe

Vanguard Veteran Squad [16 PL, 129pts]: Jump Pack
. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Power sword
. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Veteran Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Power fist

++ Total: [123 PL, 1996pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

You can get three razorbacks with twin AC (342) for almost the same points as two baal preds with HB sponsons (328). Your tac squads can embark on them, reducing your deployment count. If you replace the vanguard vets with company vets you will get boltguns instead of boltpistols, for free. You havent given the sang ancient the standard of sacrifice.

Hmm, think people would have an issue with me just using the Baal predator turrets on my razorbacks then? I don't have assault cannon turrets for them, which is the main reason I didn't want to use more than 1 assault cannon razor even though they are better.