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So with the Vigilus campaign on it's way it looks like Marneus Calgar is being reborn as a Primaris marine. I'm down with GW having many of our current child size space Marines being reborn as large powerful Primaris Marines. I'd like to see some new Primaris named heros but I think this is transformation of many of our old heros into new better ones is a good decision on GW part.

It basically means normal marines are for sure going to be squatted.

Which I'll be fine with once Primaris get some actual customization and options.

I love it!

Bye mini marines. I won’t miss you. Looking forward to Primaris Dante and Mephiston.

dkoz wrote:
So with the Vigilus campaign on it's way it looks like Marneus Calgar is being reborn as a Primaris marine. I'm down with GW having many of our current child size space Marines being reborn as large powerful Primaris Marines. I'd like to see some new Primaris named heros but I think this is transformation of many of our old heros into new better ones is a good decision on GW part.

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Looks like GW is taking the Privateer Press route; advancing the special characters to be more buffed as time goes. I won't complain, as long as they keep both options around (so many people have normal marines they can't completely squat them...)

 Zid wrote:
Looks like GW is taking the Privateer Press route; advancing the special characters to be more buffed as time goes. I won't complain, as long as they keep both options around (so many people have normal marines they can't completely squat them...)

I imagine they'll just stop producing the tiny Marines eventually. People could still use them, just like people still use the old reto rogue trader models and they still work as long as they are somewhat wysiwyg. I wouldn't expect any new little marine models though, especially now that it's confirmed that existing characters are growing up.

As long as the rules aren't terrible I'm all on board for our HQ units gaining a wound and attack.

 Creeping Dementia wrote:

 Zid wrote:
Looks like GW is taking the Privateer Press route; advancing the special characters to be more buffed as time goes. I won't complain, as long as they keep both options around (so many people have normal marines they can't completely squat them...)

I imagine they'll just stop producing the tiny Marines eventually. People could still use them, just like people still use the old reto rogue trader models and they still work as long as they are somewhat wysiwyg. I wouldn't expect any new little marine models though, especially now that it's confirmed that existing characters are growing up.

I could see this. Pop them on the expanded bases if needed, but yeah, I think Primaris is where its at. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Chaos gets their hands on some... No ones in-corruptible.

I have to wonder what they're doing with that. If they do release the blackstone fortress mini's as their own box (like they did silver tower), and that means CSM marines get their unit, that means a new mini marines box.

Sir Heckington wrote:
I have to wonder what they're doing with that. If they do release the blackstone fortress mini's as their own box (like they did silver tower), and that means CSM marines get their unit, that means a new mini marines box.

It's possible they'll use the differences between Primaris and Oldmarines to help differentiate Loyalist and Chaos further. Makes them essentially completely different factions going forward!

Or they just don't release them and it's an anomaly.

Could be. It'd be kinda weird to have chaos left in the dust with regular marines while new marines become all primaris, not sure how I feel about it.

I am happy with this. If they don't get good Primaris Lore, I prefeer continue with the old characters. They have good Lore.

Bremon wrote:
Bye mini marines. I won’t miss you. Looking forward to Primaris Dante and Mephiston.

Hell yes.

Sir Heckington wrote:
Could be. It'd be kinda weird to have chaos left in the dust with regular marines while new marines become all primaris, not sure how I feel about it.

Given they're currently poor performers that's understandable. But imagine a situation where the basic marine statline is viable. Would it be so bad then? Chaos waving the flag for the old way, in archaic style armour, against hyper modern loyalists. Seems pretty cool to me

Sir Heckington wrote:
I have to wonder what they're doing with that. If they do release the blackstone fortress mini's as their own box (like they did silver tower), and that means CSM marines get their unit, that means a new mini marines box.

The Blackstone Fortress miniatures can't be released on their own like the Silver Tower stuff was.

All of the adventurers are on shared frames.
All of the unnamed enemies are on duplicated frames.
Only the Chaos Lord is on his own frame.

Additionally, they did say that the Chaos Marines were a "first look" at the new kit.

 Stux wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Could be. It'd be kinda weird to have chaos left in the dust with regular marines while new marines become all primaris, not sure how I feel about it.

Given they're currently poor performers that's understandable. But imagine a situation where the basic marine statline is viable. Would it be so bad then? Chaos waving the flag for the old way, in archaic style armour, against hyper modern loyalists. Seems pretty cool to me

That is true, but I also find it hard to justify in fluff that no Primaris Marine would ever fall to chaos.

It might also have to do with I've always thought the basic marine should have the Primaris Marine stat line, so I'm a bit biased. Though what if they go ahead and give Chaos Marines the Primaris marine statline?

Loyalist Space Marines could up with dedicated squads more akin to the legions, while Chaos Space Marines would end up with more mixed squads, representing their chaotic nature.

It'd create an interesting difference between the two codices other than one is spiky and one isn't.

 Stux wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Could be. It'd be kinda weird to have chaos left in the dust with regular marines while new marines become all primaris, not sure how I feel about it.

Given they're currently poor performers that's understandable. But imagine a situation where the basic marine statline is viable. Would it be so bad then? Chaos waving the flag for the old way, in archaic style armour, against hyper modern loyalists. Seems pretty cool to me

It would still be lame that Chaos Marines would be smaller and individually weaker than the loyalists. It should be other way around, the Chaos Marines being mutated and warp empowered monstrosities, with millennia of experience.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
I have to wonder what they're doing with that. If they do release the blackstone fortress mini's as their own box (like they did silver tower), and that means CSM marines get their unit, that means a new mini marines box.

The Blackstone Fortress miniatures can't be released on their own like the Silver Tower stuff was.

All of the adventurers are on shared frames.
All of the unnamed enemies are on duplicated frames.
Only the Chaos Lord is on his own frame.

Additionally, they did say that the Chaos Marines were a "first look" at the new kit.

I'm saying if the hostiles got their own multi pose stuff. That's how it worked in silver tower I believe, weren't the silver tower Tzaangors mono-pose, while the kit is multi-pose.

Sir Heckington wrote:

I'm saying if the hostiles got their own multi pose stuff. That's how it worked in silver tower I believe, weren't the silver tower Tzaangors mono-pose, while the kit is multi-pose.

With you now.

Yes, the Tzaangors and Kairic Acolytes were effectively 'easy to build' versions with set weapons while the kit is a similar mono-pose but with options for weapons.

 Crimson wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Could be. It'd be kinda weird to have chaos left in the dust with regular marines while new marines become all primaris, not sure how I feel about it.

Given they're currently poor performers that's understandable. But imagine a situation where the basic marine statline is viable. Would it be so bad then? Chaos waving the flag for the old way, in archaic style armour, against hyper modern loyalists. Seems pretty cool to me

It would still be lame that Chaos Marines would be smaller and individually weaker than the loyalists. It should be other way around, the Chaos Marines being mutated and warp empowered monstrosities, with millennia of experience.

They still have those - Oblits, Daemon Princes etc.

I hope GW uses the Primaris Rubikon to kill off a bunch of Ultramarine characters and we can finally have some parity in the field between chapters.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope GW uses the Primaris Rubikon to kill off a bunch of Ultramarine characters and we can finally have some parity in the field between chapters.

I just wish that instead of bunch of special characters, we had better rules for customising and equipping our own characters. Then people who care about official characters could use those rules to build them too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
I have to wonder what they're doing with that. If they do release the blackstone fortress mini's as their own box (like they did silver tower), and that means CSM marines get their unit, that means a new mini marines box.

The Blackstone Fortress miniatures can't be released on their own like the Silver Tower stuff was.

All of the adventurers are on shared frames.
All of the unnamed enemies are on duplicated frames.
Only the Chaos Lord is on his own frame.

Additionally, they did say that the Chaos Marines were a "first look" at the new kit.

TIL sprues can't be cut and put into individual boxes.

 Crimson wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope GW uses the Primaris Rubikon to kill off a bunch of Ultramarine characters and we can finally have some parity in the field between chapters.

I just wish that instead of bunch of special characters, we had better rules for customising and equipping our own characters. Then people who care about official characters could use those rules to build them too.

They're doing exactly that in Chapter Approves 2018.

For Open Play only, of course

With the precedent of the DW: Overkill GSC, we can safely assume that GW won't cut up a sprue into individual pieces to ship in their own boxes.

 Crimson wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Could be. It'd be kinda weird to have chaos left in the dust with regular marines while new marines become all primaris, not sure how I feel about it.

Given they're currently poor performers that's understandable. But imagine a situation where the basic marine statline is viable. Would it be so bad then? Chaos waving the flag for the old way, in archaic style armour, against hyper modern loyalists. Seems pretty cool to me

It would still be lame that Chaos Marines would be smaller and individually weaker than the loyalists. It should be other way around, the Chaos Marines being mutated and warp empowered monstrosities, with millennia of experience.

That's why I want Chosen to be the base troop for CSM and we just lose the Chaos Marine entry altogether. Then we need Plague Marines and Rubric Marines to have Vet stats and for Berserker and Noise Marines to get Vet LD.

Sir Heckington wrote:
It basically means normal marines are for sure going to be squatted.

Which I'll be fine with once Primaris get some actual customization and options.

Everyone already knew this was coming and true - lets get some options now.

'The big fish eat the little ones - not my problem - give me some. "


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope GW uses the Primaris Rubikon to kill off a bunch of Ultramarine characters and we can finally have some parity in the field between chapters.

Fine with me. In fact I'd prefer it. Lets turn cronus into a standard "tank commander". Lets get a generic Scout Leader. Lets get a generic dread HQ.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Stux wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Could be. It'd be kinda weird to have chaos left in the dust with regular marines while new marines become all primaris, not sure how I feel about it.

Given they're currently poor performers that's understandable. But imagine a situation where the basic marine statline is viable. Would it be so bad then? Chaos waving the flag for the old way, in archaic style armour, against hyper modern loyalists. Seems pretty cool to me

It would still be lame that Chaos Marines would be smaller and individually weaker than the loyalists. It should be other way around, the Chaos Marines being mutated and warp empowered monstrosities, with millennia of experience.

That's why I want Chosen to be the base troop for CSM and we just lose the Chaos Marine entry altogether. Then we need Plague Marines and Rubric Marines to have Vet stats and for Berserker and Noise Marines to get Vet LD.

Issue with this: What about recently converted CSM? Or new CSM? Not all CSM are vets of the long war, and because of warp time, not all have tons of experience.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope GW uses the Primaris Rubikon to kill off a bunch of Ultramarine characters and we can finally have some parity in the field between chapters.

I just wish that instead of bunch of special characters, we had better rules for customising and equipping our own characters. Then people who care about official characters could use those rules to build them too.

They're doing exactly that in Chapter Approves 2018.

For Open Play only, of course

This is what's most disappointing. GW finally gives rules for campaigns and customizing characters...

And they are open play only. (Which lets be honest, nobody plays)

Its unlikely to be used in a big way, other than to upgrade some of the oldest special character models.

The process nearly killed calgar, so i doubt its safe enough to be applied to every standard marines, just a few powerful ones willing to take the risk.

GW stated in the vigilus seminar that regular marines are going nowhere, and that grey knights will not be primarised or getting any primaris.