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After Christmas Ill have around 2400 pts of Space Wolves, with being able to field a decent 2k list, not competitive but I play casually with friends etc.

I am kinda stuck on where to go next, I was tempted to get an ally for my wolves, but I would rather have something independent of them, new challenge etc.

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Now I know AM have some great potential, but I wouldn't wanna go down that route as catachan and cadian models just do not do it for me anymore unfortunately. DKOK on the other hand have always been a wish of mine, but I couldnt spend 44 quid on 80 pts worth of stuff without shedding some tears.

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

Daemons.

 Alphabet wrote:
After Christmas Ill have around 2400 pts of Space Wolves, with being able to field a decent 2k list, not competitive but I play casually with friends etc.

I am kinda stuck on where to go next, I was tempted to get an ally for my wolves, but I would rather have something independent of them, new challenge etc.

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Now I know AM have some great potential, but I wouldn't wanna go down that route as catachan and cadian models just do not do it for me anymore unfortunately. DKOK on the other hand have always been a wish of mine, but I couldnt spend 44 quid on 80 pts worth of stuff without shedding some tears.

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

On the DKoK, have you considered making your own regiment with anvil? It is slightly more expensive then cadians /catachans but you can basically make any army out of them.

Chaos ofcourse has great options for modelling,

Orkz?!? Go insane build random stuff out of random stuff?

Renegades and Heretics. Anvil Industries just made an entire new Robed Cultist line, which you can mix with their already vast Regiments line, and chaosify if you please. There are tons of options there, and so much fun to be had.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
After Christmas Ill have around 2400 pts of Space Wolves, with being able to field a decent 2k list, not competitive but I play casually with friends etc.

I am kinda stuck on where to go next, I was tempted to get an ally for my wolves, but I would rather have something independent of them, new challenge etc.

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Now I know AM have some great potential, but I wouldn't wanna go down that route as catachan and cadian models just do not do it for me anymore unfortunately. DKOK on the other hand have always been a wish of mine, but I couldnt spend 44 quid on 80 pts worth of stuff without shedding some tears.

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

On the DKoK, have you considered making your own regiment with anvil? It is slightly more expensive then cadians /catachans but you can basically make any army out of them.

Chaos ofcourse has great options for modelling,

Orkz?!? Go insane build random stuff out of random stuff?

Hey bud! The anvil stuff has peaked my attention before, however the possibility of being able to use them in GW and WW would not be possible and so that puts me off. Although this would rarely happen, I would atleast want the possibility. Some of there stuff is brilliant though.

I have often thought of chaos, I am hoping they get an update to there models soon, the standard CSM troop look so out of whack compared to some of the other great stuff nowadays. The CSM specific vehicles are also something I have never been a fan of either. The Khorne berserkers are really up my street though. I would love a space wolve unit dual wielding axes, always surprised that hasn't been a thing.

My buddy plays Orks. So they are out of bounds, which is a shame, as you can literally make kids toys look brilliant with Orks!


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 Sir Heckington wrote:
Renegades and Heretics. Anvil Industries just made an entire new Robed Cultist line, which you can mix with their already vast Regiments line, and chaosify if you please. There are tons of options there, and so much fun to be had.

Are there still rules for that army? I know they discontinued the FW stuff which is a shame, I used to ogle those models a lot. Just had a look at those. They are very cool. I think I may have to get over myself if I am wanting to convert, and use third party stuff. Unfortunately GW do not cut it when it comes down to variety of IG.

 Alphabet wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
After Christmas Ill have around 2400 pts of Space Wolves, with being able to field a decent 2k list, not competitive but I play casually with friends etc.

I am kinda stuck on where to go next, I was tempted to get an ally for my wolves, but I would rather have something independent of them, new challenge etc.

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Now I know AM have some great potential, but I wouldn't wanna go down that route as catachan and cadian models just do not do it for me anymore unfortunately. DKOK on the other hand have always been a wish of mine, but I couldnt spend 44 quid on 80 pts worth of stuff without shedding some tears.

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

On the DKoK, have you considered making your own regiment with anvil? It is slightly more expensive then cadians /catachans but you can basically make any army out of them.

Chaos ofcourse has great options for modelling,

Orkz?!? Go insane build random stuff out of random stuff?

Hey bud! The anvil stuff has peaked my attention before, however the possibility of being able to use them in GW and WW would not be possible and so that puts me off. Although this would rarely happen, I would atleast want the possibility. Some of there stuff is brilliant though.

I have often thought of chaos, I am hoping they get an update to there models soon, the standard CSM troop look so out of whack compared to some of the other great stuff nowadays. The CSM specific vehicles are also something I have never been a fan of either. The Khorne berserkers are really up my street though. I would love a space wolve unit dual wielding axes, always surprised that hasn't been a thing.

My buddy plays Orks. So they are out of bounds, which is a shame, as you can literally make kids toys look brilliant with Orks!


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 Sir Heckington wrote:
Renegades and Heretics. Anvil Industries just made an entire new Robed Cultist line, which you can mix with their already vast Regiments line, and chaosify if you please. There are tons of options there, and so much fun to be had.

Are there still rules for that army? I know they discontinued the FW stuff which is a shame, I used to ogle those models a lot. Just had a look at those. They are very cool. I think I may have to get over myself if I am wanting to convert, and use third party stuff. Unfortunately GW do not cut it when it comes down to variety of IG.

There is even still a tactics thread for Renegades and heretics, we might atm are just a handfull but considering the views on that thread i'd say there are more turncoats out there.

As for anvil, i do have technically a pm Blog with a anvil army.

Are there still rules for that army? I know they discontinued the FW stuff which is a shame, I used to ogle those models a lot. Just had a look at those. They are very cool. I think I may have to get over myself if I am wanting to convert, and use third party stuff. Unfortunately GW do not cut it when it comes down to variety of IG.

Sadly right there, but we are still kicking! The rules can be found in Imperial Armour Imperial Guard, (Not whatever that Astra stuff is about).

The rules aren't very good, but it makes it even more fun to win! Plus usually you can always use it as IG stuff if you have no intent of daemons or the such.

Yeh that is a shame. I was just thinking about the IG rules. Ogryns could be some daemon type thing etc.

Food for thought definitely! It is a shame they did all the genestealer cult stuff, and didn't give Renegades some love.

Tyranids!

Seriously there's huge potential with them just with the spare parts you get from models alone! Go check out The Hive and see where people have made their own versions of things out of loads of models.
http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/board/4/converting-terrain

Plus with some simple greenstuff work you can easily link parts together with some organic sections, or if you are more skilled and bold you can add huge chunks.

Or if you're not that skilled then simple swapping of parts and moving bits around and adding bits (ebay has a good number of spare bits of most parts)



Go Tyranids! Join the endless evolution!

Tyranids can be extremely good for that, however they are all biological.
I honestly however have fallen in love with gsc neophytes, great for kitbashing and also not a too terrible army, unlike f.e. R&H

Do you like greenstuff? The best army would be anything Nurgle. All of the best conversion work I have seen has been crazy nurgle horribleness. You do need some talent for it though.

Chaos has SO MUCH modeling for weapons, looks, customization, etc..

Even moreso than allo t ehr armies, with the different marks making them look completely different, with the fluff you can follow and still able to play in game, etc..

Many plays use Tyranids, Admech, Marines, CWE, Tau all for bits, it has lots of green stuff options as well.

And they are fun to play especially outside of tournaments, large amounts of types of play, cool models, etc..

 Alphabet wrote:

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Well, I'd say that DE definitely have modelling potential - especially if you're interested in Covens. And there are certainly directions you can take it that don't involve sexy pirates:

 Alphabet wrote:
After Christmas Ill have around 2400 pts of Space Wolves, with being able to field a decent 2k list, not competitive but I play casually with friends etc.

I am kinda stuck on where to go next, I was tempted to get an ally for my wolves, but I would rather have something independent of them, new challenge etc.

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Now I know AM have some great potential, but I wouldn't wanna go down that route as catachan and cadian models just do not do it for me anymore unfortunately. DKOK on the other hand have always been a wish of mine, but I couldnt spend 44 quid on 80 pts worth of stuff without shedding some tears.

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

To discount armies you've mentioned as lack of modeling potential, I think you are lacking artistic modeling potential. The boring cadian and catachan can be easily modified to look different via paint scheme or conversions with 3rd party bits. They don't have to be drastic such as modeling with green stuff, but subtle modifications can make a model look visually satisfactory. The dkok are actually harder to modify as they are in realistic 28mm, making most bits that match hard to find outside of their own kit line.

I would suggest you get something you like model wise and are able to either team up with space wolves or fight against.
you can see my collection here for inspirations:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/767743.page#10254658

IG has limitless possibilities, (most every army does but IG nails it). You could do a force of Space Wolves house auxillary to tie in with your existing army. Space Viking Guardsmen for the win!

 Big Mac wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
After Christmas Ill have around 2400 pts of Space Wolves, with being able to field a decent 2k list, not competitive but I play casually with friends etc.

I am kinda stuck on where to go next, I was tempted to get an ally for my wolves, but I would rather have something independent of them, new challenge etc.

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Now I know AM have some great potential, but I wouldn't wanna go down that route as catachan and cadian models just do not do it for me anymore unfortunately. DKOK on the other hand have always been a wish of mine, but I couldnt spend 44 quid on 80 pts worth of stuff without shedding some tears.

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

To discount armies you've mentioned as lack of modeling potential, I think you are lacking artistic modeling potential. The boring cadian and catachan can be easily modified to look different via paint scheme or conversions with 3rd party bits. They don't have to be drastic such as modeling with green stuff, but subtle modifications can make a model look visually satisfactory. The dkok are actually harder to modify as they are in realistic 28mm, making most bits that match hard to find outside of their own kit line.

I would suggest you get something you like model wise and are able to either team up with space wolves or fight against.
you can see my collection here for inspirations:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/767743.page#10254658

Props to you for your IG models, they are brilliant. You are probably right about me lacking artistic modeling potential, I am not so good with green stuff, and my knowledge of bits isn't as good as I wished it would be.

Props to your Catachan rough riders! Love them. Also love the Cadian commisar, which I am guessing is a DKOK model?

Chaos, Deamons, Orks, these 3 armies pretty much let you use anything for anything, as long as it has a passing resemblance to the original unit, so Deamons for example there are soooooo many 3rd party models to choose from, Orks can be kit bashed or scratch built to your hearts content, Chaos marines also have a whole slew of 3rd party kits and units available to them.

go nuts

 Alphabet wrote:

 Big Mac wrote:

 Alphabet wrote:
After Christmas Ill have around 2400 pts of Space Wolves, with being able to field a decent 2k list, not competitive but I play casually with friends etc.

I am kinda stuck on where to go next, I was tempted to get an ally for my wolves, but I would rather have something independent of them, new challenge etc.

Now I am looking for something with really fun modelling potential, conversions etc, the trouble is what initially jumped out at me was DE. But the sex pirate lore throws me off and lack of modelling potential really put me off, I could be wrong on the modelling part.

Now I know AM have some great potential, but I wouldn't wanna go down that route as catachan and cadian models just do not do it for me anymore unfortunately. DKOK on the other hand have always been a wish of mine, but I couldnt spend 44 quid on 80 pts worth of stuff without shedding some tears.

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

To discount armies you've mentioned as lack of modeling potential, I think you are lacking artistic modeling potential. The boring cadian and catachan can be easily modified to look different via paint scheme or conversions with 3rd party bits. They don't have to be drastic such as modeling with green stuff, but subtle modifications can make a model look visually satisfactory. The dkok are actually harder to modify as they are in realistic 28mm, making most bits that match hard to find outside of their own kit line.

I would suggest you get something you like model wise and are able to either team up with space wolves or fight against.
you can see my collection here for inspirations:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/767743.page#10254658

Props to you for your IG models, they are brilliant. You are probably right about me lacking artistic modeling potential, I am not so good with green stuff, and my knowledge of bits isn't as good as I wished it would be.

Props to your Catachan rough riders! Love them. Also love the Cadian commisar, which I am guessing is a DKOK model?

The above model you're referring to? that's just the foot baneblade kit commander with knife from MT kits. My catachans have bare face, so I was determined to make each one with a different head, heads from bare cadian kits, baneblade commander bare heads, fantasy empire militia heads, and madrobot 3rd party heads mixed in.

If you go with IG, you can do vostroyan or valhallans to use with your space wolves, madrobot miniatures have heads and bodies matching those metal regiments, you can use the balaclava spetsnaz heads as veterans/scions. options are endless. Artel miniatures have vostroyan command matching figures, there is a cool female commissar and commander kit with a battle map table.
https://artelw.com/

Orks are another great choice. While IG has millions of premade options to slot in, Orks have fewer. Still bunches, just fewer than IG. What Orks DO have, and have in spades, is room to tinker. Start simple, grow your skills and keep pushing. Good Orky conversions are easy, great ones are tough.
Good luck!

You can model any army anyway you want, provided that you're consistent.

Love Tyranids, but prefer the Ork rules?
Model your Nids appropriately, and use the Ork Codex.

Dark Eldar have the single best modeling potential in the range, in my opinion. The pieces from virtually every kit are interchangeable, most of them also go with the Craftworlder bits with no problem.

If the DE lore isn't your speed, there's nothing saying you can't build a corsair force with DE units and rules.

 Alphabet wrote:

Just looking for some suggestions on some great modelling potential armies.

I'd say look at Age of Sigmar models and think how you could use them in 40K. An eldar (or Kroot!) ranger list with Seraphon Dinos and/or Magmadroths. A Militarium Tempestus army using Kharadron Overlords in blimps as Valkyries. Goblin spiders and the big beetle as tyranids. Sigmarites as Chaos Daemons.

If you want a recommendation, I think using Admech Rangers as Astra Militarium would look cool. Use regular human heads (Scions?) and leave the backpack off. Cheaper longcoats that DKoK.

Deathwatch has probably the most (canon) customization in the game. Every other army follows mostly one look, every DW marine can be different save for the silver arm thing. Literally every single SM, GK, CSM, and variant marine kit can be used as much or as little you like, sky is the limit.

Orks are the only real answer.

Definitely the Guard. You can use basically ANY human soldiers from ANY period, starting from 1600 when first blackpowder weapons appeared to anywhere you like, anyway you like, from fantasy elf cavemen with crude blunderbusses, through machinegun wielding Vikings on Laser Raptors to androids that shoot plasma from eyes. Anything works, if done correctly.

There are some companies that allow you to make Guard that is similar to Krieg for a way cheaper. Anvil, Mad Robot, Reptilian Overlords, Maxmini, Victoria's Miniatures...

From a purely modelling perspective, Renegades & Heretics are the Astra Militarum, turned up to eleven.

Build a shambolic horder out of all the different human figures you can find.

Want tanks? We got 'em. Abhumans? Mutations? Daemons? 10,000 year-old veterans in baroque Power Armour flaying their enemies? Knights? Titans?

Yep, yep, yep. Literally everything the Guard has, then some more on top.

Join us.

 Hawky wrote:
Definitely the Guard. You can use basically ANY human soldiers from ANY period, starting from 1600...

You can go a lot earlier than that. How about an Aztec warrior society, who engage in Flower Wars for the honour to serve in the sky-god's armies. Or Viking raiders who want to travel the bifrost to fight in Ragnarok. Even Attilans are based on mongols. There are loads of these primitive worlds whose tithe is usually given in simple goods, of which warriors would be suitable. Lasguns are such a simple weapon that it wouldn't take long to teach how to use "Sky-God weapons". You could even have forces that use bows and spears, which in fact the Imperial Guard does. Most people forget how insanely diverse the Imperium is. With a million worlds, pretty much anything that you can think of is possible.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Hawky wrote:
Definitely the Guard. You can use basically ANY human soldiers from ANY period, starting from 1600...

You can go a lot earlier than that. How about an Aztec warrior society, who engage in Flower Wars for the honour to serve in the sky-god's armies. Or Viking raiders who want to travel the bifrost to fight in Ragnarok. Even Attilans are based on mongols. There are loads of these primitive worlds whose tithe is usually given in simple goods, of which warriors would be suitable. Lasguns are such a simple weapon that it wouldn't take long to teach how to use "Sky-God weapons". You could even have forces that use bows and spears, which in fact the Imperial Guard does. Most people forget how insanely diverse the Imperium is. With a million worlds, pretty much anything that you can think of is possible.

You are, of, course, right but from modelling perspective, it is far easier to replace the musket of a musketman for a lasgun rather than make a stone-axe swinging caveman to carry or shoot one.
My point was that you don't have to replace the original weapon. Lasguns come in many variants too.

 Hawky wrote:
You are, of, course, right but from modelling perspective, it is far easier to replace the musket of a musketman for a lasgun rather than make a stone-axe swinging caveman to carry or shoot one.
My point was that you don't have to replace the original weapon. Lasguns come in many variants too.

Ah of course. I guess you could cheat and use post-gunpowder cultures that have been known to adopt firearms from colonial nations, which would look primitive but have suitable models. I'm thinking of things like Zulu warriors and Native Americans.

My two cents - I really cannot think of any army that DO NOT have a great modeling potential. They do differ in "what exactly can you do with them and how much green stuff and sculpting skill is required to do so":
- you like plastic kitbashing for cinematic poses? Then you can go for DE or Harlies supported by all sorts of bits from AoS elf range; or you can go with SM, as there is no larger range of interchangeable bits to draw from; or you can go R&H and mix Genestealer Cults with Cawdor, with Guard, with anything else that fit the theme... Or just buy few boxes of Genestealer Cults and you don't even have to convert anything to have a lot of fun with personalizing your army.
- you like plastic but want a bit more of a challenge? Then go build a true windrider host - true as "actually wind powered", with sail based vechicles... Or redefine Tyranids as arachnid based species, without hoves, but with a lot more arachnophobia built in. Or go for Renegade Knigts, there are some spectacular examples of those floating around the web.
- you like green stuff a lot? Go do some really chaotic and gruesome Chaos deamons, that do not look like someone vomited a rainbow over 40K table...Or build upon Hemonculous Covens aesthetics and do a whole Crone World Chaotic Aeldari. Or do Exodites that are not simple crossover between Dark Elves and Craftworlders or DE, but trully catch the spirit of old Blanche drawings.

Really, possibilities in times of plastic and resin are endless, and as Andrew Hicks brilliantly demonstrates (http://eldar.arhicks.co.uk/miniatures/eldar/craftworld_eldar.php), you can go nuts with even such a "boring and formal" faction as Craftworlds. Just look at his one-of-a-kind scratchbuilt superheavy tanks to see that there are no "boring factions" if you have both ideas and patience.