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“The spear. My duty.I mustered my strength one last time on the immense weight out there in the void. First I raked back the concealing shroud of Aetheria hiding the spear from sight. The enemy fleet immediately turned their guns upon it.‘Faster, Khayon. Faster.’‘You. Are not. Helping.’‘Launch the spear!’I wrapped it with a strangling grip, feeling every cold contour with the touch of my mind. And then, with every iota of concentration I possessed, I hurled the spear at the world called Harmony.“The Canticle City was prepared to repel assaults, with its skyline of armoured bastions aiming defence turrets and flak cannons towards the heavens. But while fighting back an invasion is one thing, resisting a cataclysm is another. Even in my weakened state I could not resist watching the spear fall, seeing it through the thoughts of the doomed souls on the surface.Daylight died above the Canticle City. Through the wide, upturned eyes of worker menials, pleasure slaves, and III Legion warriors, I saw the gun-battlements light up in helpless rage as a shadow grew in place of the sun. The shrieking hymns broadcast from vox-towers were drowned out by the metal-hammering of defence batteries lighting up the darkening sky. The black shape that swallowed the sun burned as it fell, first aflame with atmospheric entry, then on fire from the rage of the Canticle City’s guns.A crack of thunder split the sky as the falling spear broke the sound barrier. It was no longer falling straight – it rolled as it plummeted, its hull streaming black smoke and its spinal battlements screaming with fire.Less than a minute passed from the moment it entered Harmony’satmosphere to the second it struck the ground. Long enough to let the population see death falling towards them. Not long enough to do anything about it.It smashed into the earth with the force of the War God’s axe. Every eye I had been looking through suddenly went blind. Every sense I had been sharing went dark and cold. From orbit, all we could see was the spreading blackness of choking smoke blooming over the city. Our sensors recorded tectonic unrest grave enough to send tremors rippling across the other side of the world. Harmony itself was heaving with torment.

-Talon of Horus.

Khayon throwing a star ship at a planet so hard it shook the planet, caused tectonic unrest all over, and so on.

Before this, he was holding the ship (and I quote) in his "psychic clutch" for months with no rest.

What are your thoughts? Does this make him potentially planet level?

This is a discussion I want to have and see people's thoughts about this. I hope to see what people think of this. I think its a bit overpowered for someone not as strong as Ahriman (who is not as strong as many other psykers. He has even said he is not the strongest psyker in anyway) to do this.

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What do you mean by "planet level" OP?

 foostick wrote:
What do you mean by "planet level" OP?

Able to potentially destroy a planet.

Towing a ship is an impressive psychic feat.
But really more likely guiding it on its own momentum.

His exploits in Black Legion are more impressive tbh


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(He can't destroy a planet.)

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Towing a ship is an impressive psychic feat.
But really more likely guiding it on its own momentum.

His exploits in Black Legion are more impressive tbh


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(He can't destroy a planet.)

Dropping the ship would not have shook the entire planet and caused tectonic unrest all over. Its only two kilometers long and weighs 8 megatonnes (in the millions of tons range).

He THREW the ship. He did not guide it on its own momentum.


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I say he potentially can destroy a planet.

The text makes it clear he threw the ship. Do you really think just dropping the ship (guiding it on its own momentum) is going to shake an entire planet and cause tectonic unrest all over the planet when said ship is only two kilometers long and in the millions of tons range? No. He just threw it hard enough to devastate a planet.

Hurl is a synonym for throw. He threw the ship so hard it shook an entire planet and caused tectonic unrest.

Seeing as Harmony is still around, no.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Seeing as Harmony is still around, no.

He can potentially do so, but he only shook the planet and caused tectonic unrest all over Harmony.

Maybe. But he did not destroy it.

That's chicken gak.

In the Badab War, they threw the "core" of the systems star (sun) at a space station in orbit around a planet (somehow surgically removing the space station, but without messing up either the planet or even the entire system by gutting it's star and throwing it's internal bits around).



It's 40K.


Hell, the 6th Ed. Dark Eldar Codex had Vect unveil a literal black hole, a gravitational singularity, in a party room to kill a few guys. The people in the room next door were fine, as was the entire city

Sunny Side Up wrote:
That's chicken gak.

In the Badab War, they threw the "core" of the systems star (sun) at a space station in orbit around a planet (somehow surgically removing the space station, but without messing up either the planet or even the entire system by gutting it's star and throwing it's internal bits around).



It's 40K.


Hell, the 6th Ed. Dark Eldar Codex had Vect unveil a literal black hole, a gravitational singularity, in a party room to kill a few guys. The people in the room next door were fine, as was the entire city

Do you have a quote for the Badab war? I would love to see that.

Physics and 40k arent exactly related variables.

Sterling191 wrote:
Physics and 40k arent exactly related variables.

Its common sense that something in the millions of tons range is not going to shake a planet and cause tectonic unrest all over just by dropping the object.

Sterling191 wrote:
Physics and 40k arent exactly related variables.

Nor are planets in the EoT.

He doesn't even managed to completely destroy Canticle city, it's revisited in the Fabius Novels .

Onething123456 wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
That's chicken gak.

In the Badab War, they threw the "core" of the systems star (sun) at a space station in orbit around a planet (somehow surgically removing the space station, but without messing up either the planet or even the entire system by gutting it's star and throwing it's internal bits around).



It's 40K.


Hell, the 6th Ed. Dark Eldar Codex had Vect unveil a literal black hole, a gravitational singularity, in a party room to kill a few guys. The people in the room next door were fine, as was the entire city

Do you have a quote for the Badab war? I would love to see that.

Sure

Captyn_Bob wrote:
He doesn't even managed to completely destroy Canticle city, it's revisited in the Fabius Novels .

So what? He threw the ship hard enough for it to shake an entire planet and cause tectonic unrest all Harmony. Just dropping a two kilometer long ship weighing millions of tons is not going to shake a planet and cause tectonic unrest all over the planet. The quote says he THREW the ship.

And 38,000 years into the future people don't exaggerate or lie do they?

Onething123456 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
He doesn't even managed to completely destroy Canticle city, it's revisited in the Fabius Novels .

So what? He threw the ship hard enough for it to shake an entire planet and cause tectonic unrest all Harmony. Just dropping a two kilometer long ship weighing millions of tons is not going to shake a planet and cause tectonic unrest all over the planet. The quote says he THREW the ship.

I think the point is he can't be classified as a planet killer if he couldn't even destroy the city. Gotta be an Eater of Cities before you can be an Eater of Worlds even Angron knew that.

 Jpogfreak886 wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
He doesn't even managed to completely destroy Canticle city, it's revisited in the Fabius Novels .

So what? He threw the ship hard enough for it to shake an entire planet and cause tectonic unrest all Harmony. Just dropping a two kilometer long ship weighing millions of tons is not going to shake a planet and cause tectonic unrest all over the planet. The quote says he THREW the ship.

I think the point is he can't be classified as a planet killer if he couldn't even destroy the city. Gotta be an Eater of Cities before you can be an Eater of Worlds even Angron knew that.

He still was strong enough to throw a ship and make it shake an entire planet and mess with the tectonics.

 Jpogfreak886 wrote:


I think the point is he can't be classified as a planet killer if he couldn't even destroy the city. Gotta be an Eater of Cities before you can be an Eater of Worlds even Angron knew that.

The Lion disagrees. His planet also got murderererered, and yet his castle he built there still stands!!!

Onething123456 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
He doesn't even managed to completely destroy Canticle city, it's revisited in the Fabius Novels .

So what? He threw the ship hard enough for it to shake an entire planet and cause tectonic unrest all Harmony. Just dropping a two kilometer long ship weighing millions of tons is not going to shake a planet and cause tectonic unrest all over the planet. The quote says he THREW the ship.

You can throw a ball to your kids when playing out side

it doesn't mean you are throwing a 90mph fast ball at them.

Etherway though without knowing what kinda planet it is, the size, gravity or speeds involved you really cant make any real calculations of what kinda force khayon can pull.

but then again any pyschic with enough telekinetic powers to just nudge earth killer asteroids around for an eventual collision could be considered planet level op.

but then you could do that with just a ship and gravity.

 Desubot wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
He doesn't even managed to completely destroy Canticle city, it's revisited in the Fabius Novels .

So what? He threw the ship hard enough for it to shake an entire planet and cause tectonic unrest all Harmony. Just dropping a two kilometer long ship weighing millions of tons is not going to shake a planet and cause tectonic unrest all over the planet. The quote says he THREW the ship.

You can throw a ball to your kids when playing out side

it doesn't mean you are throwing a 90mph fast ball at them.

Etherway though without knowing what kinda planet it is, the size, gravity or speeds involved you really cant make any real calculations of what kinda force khayon can pull.

but then again any pyschic with enough telekinetic powers to just nudge earth killer asteroids around for an eventual collision could be considered planet level op.

but then you could do that with just a ship and gravity.

Harmony was an average sized planet, not big like Jupiter, but larger than Mars.

Onething123456 wrote:


Its common sense that something in the millions of tons range is not going to shake a planet and cause tectonic unrest all over just by dropping the object.

If the BL authors would be familiar with common sense, this starship throwing would't have happened in the first place. I think that my Librarian's psychic powers are a tad lacklustre, but being able to drop starship on the enemy might be a bit too much.

I repeat- Harmony is IN. THE. EYE. OF. TERROR.

You cannot apply any real world physics to this and no stomping of your feet, quote dumps and ignoring this will change this.

This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).

 Wyzilla wrote:
This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).

Cool. Why can't my Librarian do that?

 Crimson wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).

Cool. Why can't my Librarian do that?

He's not an Alpha/Alpha Plus?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).

Cool. Why can't my Librarian do that?

He's not an Alpha/Alpha Plus?

Ahriman cannot do that either. Or Magnus. I understand that the game stats need some simplification and toning down, but it often feels that the BL authors describe some completely different setting than the ones where the game take place in.

 Crimson wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).

Cool. Why can't my Librarian do that?

He's not an Alpha/Alpha Plus?

Ahriman cannot do that either. Or Magnus. I understand that the game stats need some simplification and toning down, but it often feels that the BL authors describe some completely different setting than the ones where the game take place in.

Magnus is more than capable of doing that. He destroyed a fleet in Warzone Fenris: Wrath of Magnus by smashing Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers into each other with telekinesis.

High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.

The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired. The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.

With Njal leading their chants, the most powerful of Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.

Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.

Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin. Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.

Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed

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 Crimson wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
This actually isn't that impressive as far as psykers go considering that Kyme already had Dak'ir enter some weird super saiyan mode after consuming lost heresy-era Salamander geneseed, then destroyed a Chaos battle barge by slicing it half after zipping through space at hypersonic speeds (and was in danger of blowing up nocturne from unrestrained psychic buildup, but granted Nocturne's easier to blow up on account of being made up of literal dragons).

Cool. Why can't my Librarian do that?

He's not an Alpha/Alpha Plus?

Ahriman cannot do that either. Or Magnus. I understand that the game stats need some simplification and toning down, but it often feels that the BL authors describe some completely different setting than the ones where the game take place in.

The Apex Twins probably could though.

Unfortunately Lexicanum appears to be down right now and 40k Wiki doesn't have an entry for them. You'll have to take my word for it. For when it comes back up- http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Apex_Twins

 Grimtuff wrote:
I repeat- Harmony is IN. THE. EYE. OF. TERROR.

You cannot apply any real world physics to this and no stomping of your feet, quote dumps and ignoring this will change this.

Its also possible that the ships navigators brain exploded which caused the quakes.

the world will never know.